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2-04-2011 @ 7:22PM
I honestly don't think I've ever heard "sim it" except on Elitist Jerks, so that opening sentence is crazy far off base.
2-04-2011 @ 7:38PM
That was my initial reaction as well. Its important to remember that quite a lot of WoW players do not do research outside of the game. In fact, this includes reading the patch notes that they are forced to have on their screen during the patching process - I have to spend a good 10-15 minutes on every patch day explaining to guild mates what has changed and why their abilities don't work how they remember them.
2-04-2011 @ 7:47PM
You haven't been to the wowhead class forums then. The standard issue "should I use item X or item Y" answer is "SIm it" on the warlock boards and "spreadsheet" on the rogue boards.
2-04-2011 @ 7:58PM
I hear you with that. Therein lies the problem with a good majority of wow players. As stated above, they want answers but they dont want to put research into it. "whats the best dps spec for X class since patch" when you tell someone to go do some research instead of figuring it out on their own all the sudden you are a big meanie.Now lets also distinguish from the players that say, "here is my armory profile, this is the rotation/priority I am using, I am gemming/forging/enchanting this way, what could I do better, or where can I get some info?" Those are the people that deserve an answer."sim it" implies that your question has many situations that could be different depending on what you are doing. Its perfectly acceptable in most cases.Im all about teaching a man to fish.
2-04-2011 @ 9:09PM
I think why people don't like the term is because "sim it" is just a different way of saying "go figure it out yourself." And that's one of the least helpful answers ever.
2-04-2011 @ 9:12PM
How about telling them where the lake is."Sim it" is a flippant response that doesn't tell the person anything unless they already know about gear spreadsheets, in which case they probably wouldn't be asking the question. If posters don't want to link the person to a relevant simulation resource, they may as well not respond at all.
2-05-2011 @ 12:30AM
Enhancement shaman threads on mmo-champion also use "Sim it" quite a lot. EnhSim is the gold standard for them, and basically you see that in all the threads. Let's see if I can find a recent one.And we have a candidate just from yesterday:http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/845251-Working-on-Enhance"And obviously simming your own results is the way to go when you're really serious about min-maxing for a raid environment."I have no idea why rawr doesn't work as well for enhance; seems to work very well for most caster dps as far as I can tell. But why should it be "obvious" to everyone that to mix-max you need to sim your stats, gear, and talents.
2-05-2011 @ 1:28PM
@pyromelterUgh... you kids and your MMO's, keep misusing the term min-maxing. Min-maxing isn't something you can even do in an MMO. You can't deliberately give your character a disadvantage that you can ignore in order to gain advantages you will use. You can't give yourself a stutter in order to move a point out of charisma into strength. Min-maxing isn't about optimizing according to the rules, it's about exploiting the rules to optimize beyond what was intended, and ignoring rules you find inconvenient /oldnerdrageOK, deep breath. Yes, yes, the very act of specializing is a form of min-maxing. I know, that as an affliction 'lock, I just put my fire buttons over on another button bar. And i know that term definitions drift over time. i just wish these damn kids would stay off my damn lawn.
2-05-2011 @ 6:04PM
It's the mantra mmo-champion and the official forums (if you're an enhancement shaman anyway).I don't understand it. Why? All simulators have done is create a whole bunch of people who gear based on a whole bunch of faulty assumptions.1) Is the fight 100% stand and nuke? How many fights actually are? And how many of those even matter?2) Are you a machine? In other words, can you do a PERFECT rotation? Anyone?3) Someone else will do the interrupting. Someone else will do the kiting. You don't need to worry about survival.Reverberation is a dps loss. Tanks capping hit is a dps loss (what good are interrupts if they miss?). Taking survivability talents is a dps loss. Etc. So many things sim to be a dps loss, but do a heck of a lot more for the group than 1-2% theoretical dps.
2-08-2011 @ 9:25PM
"Sim it" didn't actually come from a desire to be an asshole or 'just a different way of saying go figure it out yourself'. What it actually means is: Yes we could give you an answer, but without knowing everything else about your character, that answer could be wrong. If you go and put your details into this fantastic tool and press a button, it will tell you the answer (as well as the answers to the countless future questions you will also post on this board) and you can be sure it is relevant to you.We just got tired of typing that out over and over again.And how is min/maxing by reforging Charisma -> Strength any different than min/maxing by reforging Spirit -> Haste? Or using a +40 Str gem instead of a +20 Sta / +20 Str gem for that matter?
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