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2-08-2011 @ 10:36PM
What you fail to mention is that every druid is now a healer, a kitty, or a moonkin because druid tanking is terrible now.
2-08-2011 @ 11:12PM
This is SOOO right...In Wrath, I was a druid tank from beginning to end and I loved it. Now I can't stand tanking on my druid. I have an 85 DK tank, an 83 Paly tank, and a 45 War tank, and I love tanking on them, but druid tanking just plain sucks. Every ability we have other than lacerate is on a CD, Thrash is meh, and swipe just plain sucks for aoe threat (it should do more aggro than thunderclap, dnd, or consecration b/c other than thrash, it is the only aoe tool we have. all the other tanks have multiple)Oh, and let's not forget that druids have less mitigation/avoidance than other tanks. Our dodge % should be about equal to other tank's dodge+parry+block % (maybe just dodge+parry since Savage Defense is almost like block). OR, if Blizz intends for us to have less mitigation, we should have more health to make up for it.
2-08-2011 @ 11:13PM
She mentions the unhappy state of bears regularly. Look at a few of the links at the bottom of the article that refer to her other articles.
2-09-2011 @ 1:55AM
"Every ability we have other than lacerate is on a CD..."As opposed to, say, Warriors where every ability other than Devastate is on a cooldown. Or Paladins where every ability is on a cooldown. Or Death Knights, who have few attacking abilities with direct cooldowns, but none of them are really spammable."Thrash is meh, and swipe just plain sucks for aoe threat (it should do more aggro than thunderclap, dnd, or consecration b/c other than thrash, it is the only aoe tool we have. all the other tanks have multiple)"Oh, well, other than Thrash. Which means you can hit every mob in melee range every other GCD, since both Thrash and Swipe are on six second cooldown. (Unless they share a cooldown; I've no post-80 druids). And you've also got Berserk (admittedly not an every trash pack ability) and Glyph of Maul.Don't get me wrong; Druid AoE threat is pretty bad compared to the other tanks, but it does everything it needs to. Any groups that should be AoEd down will die before it matters that you lost threat."Oh, and let's not forget that druids have less mitigation/avoidance than other tanks. Our dodge % should be about equal to other tank's dodge+parry+block % (maybe just dodge+parry since Savage Defense is almost like block). OR, if Blizz intends for us to have less mitigation, we should have more health to make up for it."Okay... It was my understanding that bears were looking at 40% or so dodge in heroic gear. My warrior is in the 30% range for parry + dodge (or would be if I didn't keep reforging the parry and dodge to mastery); that's my only heroic tank at the moment. I've been hearing that with the current patch (bug or no) bears are at something over 65% armor mitigation which isn't giving up any ground to the plate tanks, especially when bears have talents that take an additional percentage of damage off the top.And as far as more health; you don't want to be the mana sponge. The only guildie who I know has spent time healing heroic PUGs has averred that bears are probably the easiest tanks to heal, with less total health being acceptable to him as a healer (for what it's worth, his order was Druid-Paladin-Warrior-DK.Of course, I'm still looking at all this from the perspective of heroics, not raids, and the way things scale in raids may make a difference; for example, Savage Defense likely won't scale as well against raid bosses as the other tanks' masteries (although I confess that that evaluation isn't even up to back of the envelope quality).
2-09-2011 @ 7:02AM
Correction: Druid tanking isn't terrible. YOUR druid tanking is terrible now.I've done hc and raid with my dk tank who has 30k more hp than my main bear, refreshing correctly my blood shield and stuff, and all the healers of my guild suffered as bitches from my irregular up-and-down health. As always, we bears shine in massive physical damage bosses as Chimaeron, and don't have any problem with heavy magic damage ones if you time your cd's correctly.It's true that we don't have a lot of specific tanking attacks as other tanks. And we could't care less.Insanity Bear: Other tanks have more resources. MAUL THEM WITH COCAINE.
2-09-2011 @ 7:08AM
The armor buff is nice, but I know my husband is having trouble holding aggro until he adjusts, but unlike your comment, many druid tanks don't give up, they adjust because they love playing a big fuzzy bear butt. Damage HAS gone down due to the insane reduction in damage to bears, but its something that I'm confident bear tanks will work around and adjust to, finding new ways to get threat up.
2-09-2011 @ 8:35AM
@Matt: Welcome to how tanking was in BC for bears. I learned to tank there, from normals to Hyjal Mt., and I loved it. It was a pain but very rewarding when you came out victorious.Fast forward to Cata and it is the same stuff, with more toys and more damage. The thing is that you can't lolswipe everything like in WotLK, your team have to actually work with you, learn to CC and follow the Kill order. They have to learn that we're not a warrior, we have to LOS adds and we don't have ranged silence, but we can back a little and then charge to get almost the same effect. I'm not saying that bears are fine, because they aren't, there's a lot of room for improvement. But it not in a sorry state either. So far, there's no heroic I can't tank with a group that follow orders.I've yet to tank raids, and I fear we'll be relegated to off-tank duty. But that's fine I guess, we can tank and do good dps too.
2-09-2011 @ 10:52AM
Wow, I feel really silly for tanking 12/12 as a bear then. I didn't know I was terrible!
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