The OverAchiever: Farewell to The Exalted

I don't usually cover time-sensitive material in The OverAchiever -- achievements are a pretty static feature overall -- but sometimes you find yourself staring down a 64-page and growing thread on the forums and realizing that something of import has happened. That something would be Blizzard's decision to move The Exalted title from 40 Exalted Reputations to 50 Exalted Reputations.
That's not a big deal on its own -- but everybody who already had the title without having 50 Exalted Reputations suddenly found themselves without The Exalted after this week's patch.
Cue forum explosion.
A change of policy
Blizzard's normal policy, as Ghostcrawler (lead systems designer) observed in a June 2010 interview on Wowhead, has been to avoid the unpleasantness of having game changes affect achievement status: "We don't like taking achievements away from players," he said. The general assumption has been that a player with a title or achievement can count on having it forever (unless it was gotten via a bug or hack).
The closest that players have come to "losing" achievements has been the periodic shifts we see when certain achievements become feats of strength and no longer award achievement points. Many players lost achievements points in the transition from Wrath of the Lich King to Cataclysm as a result of this practice, but few people cared. Achievement points don't really mean anything, and players are generally proud to have feats of strength that nobody can get anymore.
So the sudden (and as far as I'm aware, previously unannounced) change yanking The Exalted from players who may have been using it for years is a major policy reversal. Nobody really cares that Blizzard felt obligated to bump the title to 50 Exalted Reputations; that makes sense, given the number of easy reputations in the game as of Cataclysm, which made a title at 40 a bit pointless. However, taking a title from people who had it previously is a far more troubling development.
There were a number of forum threads created after this discovery, but Bashiok showed up to one in order to explain what was going on:
BashiokWe think "the Exalted" is a really awesome title. With Cataclysm we added a bunch of new reps though, and we want the title to keep pace so that it's always representative of someone that's obtained a considerable number of exalted reputations throughout the life of the game, even as we add more.
We did consider offering multiple titles for the various tiers, but "the Exalted" fits so perfectly and we wanted to avoid a potentially infinite string of titles like "the Fairly Exalted", "the Nigh Exalted", "the Mostly Exalted", etc. We also considered grandfathering in those who had already earned it but think that this title can be a unique testament to the continued efforts of reputation hunters and keep the same value as we introduce more reps and push the requirements up to match.
It's different than every other rep in the way we're raising it with a new bar to meet, and I do apologize that it wasn't communicated clearly beforehand that it was going to be functioning this way.
We did consider offering multiple titles for the various tiers, but "the Exalted" fits so perfectly and we wanted to avoid a potentially infinite string of titles like "the Fairly Exalted", "the Nigh Exalted", "the Mostly Exalted", etc. We also considered grandfathering in those who had already earned it but think that this title can be a unique testament to the continued efforts of reputation hunters and keep the same value as we introduce more reps and push the requirements up to match.
It's different than every other rep in the way we're raising it with a new bar to meet, and I do apologize that it wasn't communicated clearly beforehand that it was going to be functioning this way.
As the game evolves
I can see where Blizzard's coming from on the issue, because achievements like The Exalted have to keep pace with how the game evolves. (Concerning the "infinite string of titles" mentioned by Bashiok, you have to wonder what Blizzard's going to do when the developers inevitably run out of appropriate adjectives -- Wrathful, Vengeful -- for gladiatorial seasons.) 40 Exalted Reputations is just not very difficult anymore, and it makes little sense to award a coveted title to players who can coast through most of it. Reputation grinds were one of the most nightmarish parts of the game in classic WoW and (arguably) The Burning Crusade, but these days? You can tabard your way through a huge chunk of the reputation achievements.
On that point, I think most players are actually agreed. Very few of the criticisms leveled at this decision address the actual achievement change; players aren't bothered by the system changes that make The Exalted at 50 more appropriate. For my part, I also agree that another "Exalted" title would have been silly and unnecessary. The actual change is a realistic response to how the game has advanced.
However, few people will argue that this is a public relations fiasco; the failure to announce a change guaranteed to affect a lot of players who'd already put serious work into reputation achievements was all but guaranteed to be exactly that. As many players observed in the linked forum thread, it's a bit cruel to snatch a title away from the folks who got it when 40 Exalted Reputations was genuinely difficult (hands up, all those of you who remember the Timbermaw and Alliance/Horde grinds of yesteryear). The need to make "continued efforts," as Bashiok phrases it, also raises the ugly specter of having to be tethered to the game just to keep something your character already had.
I think that bothers players a lot -- and frankly, I don't blame them. This move ranks among Blizzard's more reasonable decisions game-wise, but the delivery of the message and the decision not to grandfather players who already had the title are questionable at best.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 9)
MisterRik Feb 10th 2011 5:12PM
Heh. "Infinite string of titles". That reminds me of a series of joke books that came out years and years ago. The first one was called "Truly Tasteless Jokes". The next one was "More Truly Tasteless Jokes". And then, "Even More Truly Tasteless Jokes", followed by "Still Even More Truly Tasteless Jokes". They continued on that way, but that's all I can remember.
Marsten Feb 10th 2011 5:14PM
There are any number of new rewards they could make up for the 50 exalted rep. A new companion pet or a mount, they're the standard. Just chuck another one of them in and it'll do.
The issue really is that they've given a reward, and are now taking it away. You just don't do that. These people won their reward fairly.
Deb Feb 10th 2011 5:13PM
"We think "the Exalted" is a really awesome title."
So do a lot of paying players and while it's not on the level of the RaidID fiasco, it's telling that Blizzard really would do well to get player feedback before making these kinds of decisions.
N-train Feb 10th 2011 5:26PM
I think player feedback would be more or less exactly what we're seeing now, except probably with more "WTF IM CANCELING MY SUB" because people figured it was only on the PTR and therefore easier to change.
Look at the wow.com poll for today. You really think the numbers would be all that different if Blizz had put out that same poll two weeks ago? Any way you look at it its an unpopular decision and Blizz is going to take raging forum heat for it.
That being said, I think a lot of the anger comes from people being caught off-guard, and *some* notification before the patch dropped would have been preferable to nothing. Either way, however, you were going to see uproar.
Kunikenwad! Feb 10th 2011 5:32PM
I think that's the crux of the argument here ... 'the Exalted' is a very cool title to earn and represents a level of dedication that I will never have. To have earned this title fairly in the last expansion and then to have it so cruelly yanked away suddenly reminds me of Lucy moving the football from Charlie Brown. How many times will they move the ball in the future so you can re-earn your title you earned three years ago?
BitterCupOJoe Feb 10th 2011 5:18PM
I disagree with a couple of points. Full disclosure: I had the Exalted title and 42 exalted reputations, and I probably would have had around 47-48 within a month.
I don't have a problem with them moving the bar. I think that's fine. I'm also not entirely against the idea of having them move the bar and take the title away; I don't think it's the best way to go, and it's clear that they don't have to do that unless they want to. See Loremaster, etc. What I DO think is a huge issue here is that they have actually made Exalted more difficult to get, on a real, tangible level, and that is a huge issue. I'm not talking about the number of reps to get; that by itself increases the difficulty. I'm talking about the TYPES of reps.
To whit: Previously, it was possible to get the title without doing any raids at all or PVP outside of grinding out the AV rep, and without doing any of the Insane rep grinds, except for getting all of the goblin factions to exalted, but without first raising Bloodsail faction. It DID require Wintersaber rep if you wanted to do that, but if, like me, you could easily farm a raid (in my case Kara), that was another possible choice. However, with the changes now, it's going to require at least 2 of either raid reps, difficult PVP ones, or incredibly expensive ones. To be fair, Wintersaber is easier than it used to be, since the main problem there was the travel time between the quest areas and the quest giver, but that's still a net increase in difficulty, and it's a huge one.
All of the other reps were either farmable on a non-time-locked basis or, at worst, on a daily basis, and they were doable solo. I'm lucky in that I play a protection paladin. I can (I think) saunter into ICC10 and finish up my Ashen Verdict rep on the trash in there solo, or, at worst, with a partner. So I'll be hitting Wintersaber trainers and Ashen Verdict for my final 2 reps; let's be clear here, in order to get the Exalted in the easiest way possible, I'm going to have to do something that awards a feat of strength.
If they had set it to 45, we would have seen about the same number of exalted players we had seen before, simply because most people would end up grinding out all the Cata reps anyways. By putting it to 50, they've added some enormous hurdles to completion, making it far worse than it was at 40 in Wrath.
DBNM Feb 10th 2011 5:50PM
I agree completely with this.
"Previously, it was possible to get the title without doing any raids at all or PVP outside of grinding"
As a person who did lose the title as a result of this change and as a player who adopted WoW solely for the reason that it did not extensively punish the solo player like many other MMOs *glares at FFXI* I dread the amount of time that it will take me to acquire the rep with the hydraxian, scales of the sand, ashtongue, WSG, and AB. At the moment I am at I believe 41/50 (none of which are the new cata reps thank goodness) but that still leaves me with 3 factions to grind that have a weekly cap like the Hydraxian past revered, or a set number of victories like in WSG. Had I known that this was in the realm of possibilities for Blizzard to do something like this I would have buckled down a year ago when I first got the title and deliberately farmed more reputations just for the sake of keeping the title.
Do I mind that they changed the requirements for the title? No, their logic is sound on that matter. Do I mind that they took the title away from me and others despite the fact I put in the months of work to acquire it during the period of time that several of the reps were not faceroll to get? Yes.
I truly hope that they allow players to be grandfathered in. So far the response has been immense from the community, but I fear that the forums are not the place blizzard goes to assess the impact of their decisions on the community at large.
Ben Feb 10th 2011 5:18PM
What they should have done was change everyone who had "The Exalted" to "The Revered", so that way they don't feel they were completely screwed over, since they still have SOMETHING for a title. Then put exalted at 50. Next xpac, you need 60 for The Exalted, 50 for The Revered, and anyone with 40 gets nothing, loses "The Revered", but it's okay cause at that point all the people who care have "The Exalted" :)
Necromann Feb 10th 2011 5:28PM
You beat me.
relmatos Feb 10th 2011 5:41PM
What they should've done was leave it the way it is. They never removed a title because it's now become easy to earn it since they decided to add achievements.
Changing that for no reason is just stupid .
wutsconflag Feb 10th 2011 5:18PM
There's an EASY fix to this:
Create a second title, which you get once the bar is raised, so to speak. The "cutting edge" title stays "the Exalted", and the people who used to have "the Exalted" before Blizzard adds more reputations to it can be something else. (Perhaps "the Revered"? Is that already in the game?)
I would agree that the way this was handled is pretty crappy, and it sucks for the people involved, but if this particular title is going to keep changing, then maybe this is a good way to acknowledge the people that had it when it was relevant. Perhaps award a Feat of Strength with it, too.
Drakkenfyre Feb 10th 2011 5:41PM
They already said they considered it, but didn't want to do a 'tiered Exalted title", because they would have to eventually draw the line at titles like "Really Exalted".
Personally, I don't think they should have pulled the title. Achievements have never been pulled before unless it was shown to have been done by an exploit. Titles have never been pulled before, unless it was shown to be done by an exploit.
I have a feeling after a week or two, of people complaining on the forums, the title will be restored. Perhaps only to those who had obtained it before, but it will be restored.
Finnicks Feb 10th 2011 5:48PM
This idea has merit if only because three different people all suggested it independently within a 5 minute period (two of which did it -at the exact same time-).
wutsconflag Feb 10th 2011 5:53PM
@Drakkenfyre:
Oh, I understand that, but they really only need the two titles. One for the current level of "the Exalted" and one for anyone who had a previous level - ANY previous level. Sure, that's still tiered, technically, but it's only two titles, total.
IE:
Prior to this patch, 40 reps @ Exalted gives you "the Exalted". Now the requirement is 50 reps. Everyone who previously had "the Exalted" now gets the Revered (and a Feat of Strength if it doesn't already) and anyone who gets 50 reps @ Exalted get "the Exalted" again. When Blizzard changes it to 60 reps, everyone at 50 gets "the Revered" (and anyone who had it at 40 also keep it, it's a FoS, remember?). Repeat ad infinitum.
:)
Aggblade Feb 10th 2011 5:24PM
I had the Exalted title well before the patch. I kept going after 40 though. When this patch change happened I became one of 5 guildies with the new 50 exalted rep achieve and associated title. I don't mind that they reset it because it feels special again.
Drakkenfyre Feb 10th 2011 5:39PM
YOU don't feel it's bad.
That's entitlement syndrome. When you gain something, you don't mind it being taken away from other people because you already have it.
If a mount requires a rep grind, or a rare drop, and you get it, and suddenly you are saying it should be removed because it should be kept rare, you don't care because you already have it. "I have it, you lost it, you don't have it", that sounds like a kid.
Aggblade Feb 10th 2011 7:48PM
I was just saying how I felt about the change personally. That "I" didn't mind it. Inferring that I'm a child because I stated a valid opinion is trollish. I feel like I earned the new title. Perhaps they should have changed the old title to "revered" like some have said. But then do you keep changing it when it becomes 60 or 70. Will people think "the friendly" is acceptable for their 40 exalted. Or, if there are >70 exalted titles to earn will people care about 40? Regardless, I don't mind the change, whether I have the 50 or not. Seems like a fair opinion. Blizzard has to make these decisions. I don't believe they are trying to be unfair.
Drakkenfyre Feb 10th 2011 10:59PM
"I was just saying what I felt about the change, personally."
"I have the title. I don't mind that other people lost it. I still have it, it makes it more rare."
Yes, you did say how you felt. And that sounds like a kid. Not saying you are a kid, but that sounds like a kid.
Necromann Feb 10th 2011 5:23PM
Maybe giving 40 exalted "the revered"
Kaphik Feb 10th 2011 5:25PM
Hand of A'dal, Champion of the Naaru, The Explorer, none of those titles were changed when the game was changed. Removing the title from people who already had it and not mentioning this at all was an absolutely horrible decision on Blizzard's part. Yeah, there's a whole lot of griping about things on the forums, but Blizzard has been very good in the past about communication. Add in all the bugs lately, and people are starting to get rightfully upset at the developers.