The OverAchiever: Farewell to The Exalted

I don't usually cover time-sensitive material in The OverAchiever -- achievements are a pretty static feature overall -- but sometimes you find yourself staring down a 64-page and growing thread on the forums and realizing that something of import has happened. That something would be Blizzard's decision to move The Exalted title from 40 Exalted Reputations to 50 Exalted Reputations.
That's not a big deal on its own -- but everybody who already had the title without having 50 Exalted Reputations suddenly found themselves without The Exalted after this week's patch.
Cue forum explosion.
A change of policy
Blizzard's normal policy, as Ghostcrawler (lead systems designer) observed in a June 2010 interview on Wowhead, has been to avoid the unpleasantness of having game changes affect achievement status: "We don't like taking achievements away from players," he said. The general assumption has been that a player with a title or achievement can count on having it forever (unless it was gotten via a bug or hack).
The closest that players have come to "losing" achievements has been the periodic shifts we see when certain achievements become feats of strength and no longer award achievement points. Many players lost achievements points in the transition from Wrath of the Lich King to Cataclysm as a result of this practice, but few people cared. Achievement points don't really mean anything, and players are generally proud to have feats of strength that nobody can get anymore.
So the sudden (and as far as I'm aware, previously unannounced) change yanking The Exalted from players who may have been using it for years is a major policy reversal. Nobody really cares that Blizzard felt obligated to bump the title to 50 Exalted Reputations; that makes sense, given the number of easy reputations in the game as of Cataclysm, which made a title at 40 a bit pointless. However, taking a title from people who had it previously is a far more troubling development.
There were a number of forum threads created after this discovery, but Bashiok showed up to one in order to explain what was going on:
BashiokWe think "the Exalted" is a really awesome title. With Cataclysm we added a bunch of new reps though, and we want the title to keep pace so that it's always representative of someone that's obtained a considerable number of exalted reputations throughout the life of the game, even as we add more.
We did consider offering multiple titles for the various tiers, but "the Exalted" fits so perfectly and we wanted to avoid a potentially infinite string of titles like "the Fairly Exalted", "the Nigh Exalted", "the Mostly Exalted", etc. We also considered grandfathering in those who had already earned it but think that this title can be a unique testament to the continued efforts of reputation hunters and keep the same value as we introduce more reps and push the requirements up to match.
It's different than every other rep in the way we're raising it with a new bar to meet, and I do apologize that it wasn't communicated clearly beforehand that it was going to be functioning this way.
We did consider offering multiple titles for the various tiers, but "the Exalted" fits so perfectly and we wanted to avoid a potentially infinite string of titles like "the Fairly Exalted", "the Nigh Exalted", "the Mostly Exalted", etc. We also considered grandfathering in those who had already earned it but think that this title can be a unique testament to the continued efforts of reputation hunters and keep the same value as we introduce more reps and push the requirements up to match.
It's different than every other rep in the way we're raising it with a new bar to meet, and I do apologize that it wasn't communicated clearly beforehand that it was going to be functioning this way.
As the game evolves
I can see where Blizzard's coming from on the issue, because achievements like The Exalted have to keep pace with how the game evolves. (Concerning the "infinite string of titles" mentioned by Bashiok, you have to wonder what Blizzard's going to do when the developers inevitably run out of appropriate adjectives -- Wrathful, Vengeful -- for gladiatorial seasons.) 40 Exalted Reputations is just not very difficult anymore, and it makes little sense to award a coveted title to players who can coast through most of it. Reputation grinds were one of the most nightmarish parts of the game in classic WoW and (arguably) The Burning Crusade, but these days? You can tabard your way through a huge chunk of the reputation achievements.
On that point, I think most players are actually agreed. Very few of the criticisms leveled at this decision address the actual achievement change; players aren't bothered by the system changes that make The Exalted at 50 more appropriate. For my part, I also agree that another "Exalted" title would have been silly and unnecessary. The actual change is a realistic response to how the game has advanced.
However, few people will argue that this is a public relations fiasco; the failure to announce a change guaranteed to affect a lot of players who'd already put serious work into reputation achievements was all but guaranteed to be exactly that. As many players observed in the linked forum thread, it's a bit cruel to snatch a title away from the folks who got it when 40 Exalted Reputations was genuinely difficult (hands up, all those of you who remember the Timbermaw and Alliance/Horde grinds of yesteryear). The need to make "continued efforts," as Bashiok phrases it, also raises the ugly specter of having to be tethered to the game just to keep something your character already had.
I think that bothers players a lot -- and frankly, I don't blame them. This move ranks among Blizzard's more reasonable decisions game-wise, but the delivery of the message and the decision not to grandfather players who already had the title are questionable at best.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 9)
Irish Feb 10th 2011 5:44PM
Blue Post closed thread in the forums...Rofl, blaming it on flaming, man if they ever see the trade channel they are going to Close Azeroth!!!
"We understand the concern that everyone has expressed in this thread, however have decided to close this thread at this point in time as discussions have devolved into flaming and arguing. Our previous answers stand at this point in time and should any further developments occur in regard to this topic, we will make sure to share them with you.
Please refrain from attempting to derail other threads with this topic. It is neither appropriate, constructive, or respectful of the other posters"
Foxfire Feb 10th 2011 6:03PM
I love how they say 'Please refrain from attempting to derail other threads with this topic. It is neither appropriate, constructive, or respectful of the other posters'.
Yet that's exactly what they did to every player that had the title.
I laugh at their shenanigans. Whoever they have in charge now just seems to be a bit of an idiot with a god mentality. 'We have so many subscribers we can do what we want and it doesn't matter if we lose a few thousand'.
I mean even if everyone with the title quit wow and stopped playing - they would barely even notice the drop in the bucket.
Utakata Feb 10th 2011 5:46PM
Apparently they've just locked the thread citing:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2046835986?page=135#2699
Utakata Feb 10th 2011 8:35PM
I just want to note, I am aware some have already beat me to the puch to this. But I have left the link to emphasize their dismissiveness in dealing with this.
And I suspect the real issue of the lock that Blizz did not want this to go viral in the way the Real ID fiasco did, forcing them to change their position. So lock it now...and hope it goes away. Though I think I'm wading into /tinfoil area for saying that. :(
Eirik Feb 11th 2011 3:15PM
The RealID thing was more serious, in that it had real-world implications for some people. I imagine that they also had a perceptible number of accounts closed with the note that RealID was the reason.
I suspect that they will have fewer people actually quitting over losing a decorative title than over the RealID fiasco.
Utakata Feb 11th 2011 5:07PM
I agree with you Eirik...in fact Real ID is several degrees of seriousness than this. But still the decision was serious.
It should be noted, and far as I can remember, this is the first time they stripped an accomplishment from masses of players outside of cheating and bug roll backs. So it is unprecedented, even as far as industry standard goes...since I can't recall either if other MMO's have practise this. So in principle, it's quite seroius that may have future game consequences...especially if Blizz starts making this a habbit as they seem to indicate.
And now ending it by telling us all who are concerned to shut the eff-up about it or face consequences, raises it up a notch. Just saying.
iceveiled Feb 10th 2011 5:54PM
TSK TSK blizz. Wow players are maniacal about collecting. Collecting loot, collecting mounts, collecting tier sets, collecting tabards, collecting vanity pets, collecting weird random trinkets, collecting WORLD OF WARCRAFT EXPANSIONS, and yes, collecting titles.
To take something away is not very smart and frankly, kind of a dick move. Would it have been too much work to keep the title at 40 and offer a reward at 50? A vanity or special mount perhaps?
Blizz Logic......I don't get it.
LynMars Feb 10th 2011 5:56PM
The customer service angle is what really cheeses me. This was just inexcusable, and Bashiok's after-the-fact post stinks of backpedaling and really flimsy excuses. Couldn't think of another simple title? Really? Couldn't grandfather players who'd earned the title pre-Cata? Seriously?
This was not only not communicated clearly, this wasn't communicated at all. Yes, there's a precedent with Arena titles. But they specifically said they weren't going to change things for the PvE achievements people earned pre-Cata. The requirements for "The Explorer" have changed, but I still had that title before I finished exploring Cata zones--it wasn't removed until I discovered all the new areas. Hand of A'dal was removed from game--but people who had earned it didn't lose it because that content is now trivial and the title locked.
If there was warning, the players could have given suggestions and feedback such as they are here and on other official forum posts. I really think people would have minded less if they knew it was coming, had some chance for input, and the reassurance they could get something to recognize that yes, getting 40 reps then took a lot of time and effort.
I didn't work on The Exalted alone; I got it with a lot of help from friends who also took their gametime to do these grinds with me, particularly older dungeon reps. We had a lot of fun along the way, but I still feel like some of their time was also devalued.
It's just a matter of finding the time now to regain my title--and perhaps a buffer of other reps. If it's even worth it if they choose to pull this on us again.
Phelps Feb 10th 2011 5:59PM
Raising it to 50? No problem. Taking it away from people who already had it? Problem.
It isn't like this hasn't come up before with "the Explorer."
Irish Feb 10th 2011 6:00PM
Maybe just maybe...The Exalted title is the "U Beat the game" feeling, and this was a way to enslave the free once again.....Just maybe!
Sinfulle Feb 10th 2011 6:00PM
With the logic Blizzard is using, I'm surprised they didn't take away the Ambassador title from everyone who had it until they became exalted with Bilgewater/Gilneas.
I can perfectly see moving the number of reputations for those trying to attain The Exalted, however I believe those who earned it in the past legitimately deserve to keep it. If this change really is an underhanded attempt to keep people playing, I hope they realize how much of a negative effect this can create and how far reaching changes like this can become.
Vader(Blizzard): "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further."
scott Feb 10th 2011 6:10PM
I cant believe all these people complaining about losing a title I lost it aswell and I believe blizzard is right the exalted should be for those who have enough reps exalted if they add more yes they should change it and if you cant handle having to earn more then you truly do not deserve the title exalted!!!
Ringo Flinthammer Feb 10th 2011 7:12PM
I have to believe you were downranked in part because of your failure to punctuate.
Bullwraith Feb 10th 2011 6:13PM
This falls under the "What the hell are they thinking" category. It is a breach of trust, pure and simple. Just as in any relationship, business or personal, once that trust is broken it will take a very long time to earn it back (if ever). You simply don't take something away that has been earned.
Another troubling aspect for me is that these types of changes are becoming a trend... this one happens to be in the opposite direction (raising the bar), while the others have been to lower the bar (Revered vs Exalted with guild for certain rewards comes to mind). It's looking more and more like a rudderless ship, weaving back and forth.
I think all the WoW players that live in and near Anaheim should make some picket signs up and picket Blizz HQ for a day. And call in the press.
vardos Feb 10th 2011 6:18PM
I was closely following the thread but it is now locked and a blue essentially the "We've had our say, if you don't like it, you can go jump in a lake for all we care."
So, I did as someone in the WoW thread so poetically suggested:
"Blizzard had earned the Achievement "Getting my Money" which gave them the title "the Paid" but because I think that title is so awesome I am now going to make them earn it again."
So am I, I just unsubbed and I'm nowhere near having the title on any of my toons and would never have it ever. But this is completely wrong on Blizzard's part. You may ask why I would unsub if it didn't effect me. For me, this was the straw the broke the camel's back. Blizzard's PR dept has shown for awhile that they think they are too big to go out of business so what the customers think isn't really all that important to them.
Okay, fine if you think that but I don't have to monetarily support that attitude and I won't anymore.
Wow_What_A_Long_Strange_Trip_Its_Been Feb 10th 2011 6:29PM
Thank you Blizzard Entertainment for all the years of fun.
Today I canceled my account.
This latest move in stripping earned titles away from those who've previously earned them is a most dangerous move. It strips the invisible line between a game and a money-making venture.
For example,
I earned my bachelor's degree from a university many years ago. No doubt that there are new requirements for earning that same degree today. But just because the requirements have changed to reflect the present time and current students doesn't mean I deserve to lose my diploma.
I am not the greatest wow player that has played the game. I have not earned what others have in the past. Exalted was not even on my radar. However, I was pursuing that meta achievement "Wow what a long strange trip its been" not because of the dragon (which is lessened now that 310% flying speed can be bought), but as a testament that I have participated and sampled (BUT BY NO MEANS MASTERED) every part of the game of wow.
It was to be my testament to myself that I strategized, managed my time during the holidays, and persevered. No one was to see that I earned that achievement (unless they dug for it), except me.
But now my biggest fear is that I hit December to finish that holiday then in the latest patch they announce that Pilgrim would be added to the requirement, forcing me to wait another year. To counter this possibility, I had planned to earn that title as well this year.
But I think the major point that Blizzard is misunderstanding here with the stripping away of the title “Exalted” is a philosophical difference in playing an MMORPG versus a single player game at home.
There's no finality to it. There's no reaching the end of wow. There's no "Congratulations! You've finished it!"
That's both good and bad. Good because there's always something to do in playing the game. Bad in the sense that the little stepping stones achieved along the way mean more to each individual player. Most game producers are set on leading the player down a very linear path. The player is participating in only one story. One player may be proud to have many different level 85s and have played every race/class combination possible. One player may be proud to have gone on every raid. The game is different to each player because there is no finality.
So the move of stripping away something that people have earned is like someone on the verge of winning a family game of Monopoly, then suddenly getting the call from Parker Brothers or Hasbro that states "Sorry - the current winning player must lose a third of all properties and give the money to the bank." Changing the game mid-stream isn’t a game. That’s life. And that’s why we play games. The objectives are clear, the strategies are learned and earned, and winning is a personal goal and achievement.
To the people who are not upset by this move, think of it this way. Imagine you have many different level 85s, then tomorrow you log in to wow only to find that they've been pushed backed to level 80.
Sorry, I can't side with Blizzard on this one. They have already set the precedent of moving achievements to feats of strength when they're no longer relevant. And no one can now achieve the title of "Champion of the Naaru" So they have dealt with this sort of thing in the past.
On the other side of this argument, I earned the Explorer title prior to Cataclysm. I still have it even though I haven't explored every new zone that Cata brought to the table. That made me feel somewhat cheap. Like I hadn't earned it.
You know what could have made the difference there? Keep my Explorer title - or make it another shade of color. Then someone who explores the current settings fully from scratch earns "World Explorer"
By the way - the main reason I went after the explorer title was to see all the lands of Azeroth one last time before Cataclysm hit and changed it forever. It was nostalgic to go across lands I visited years before.
Plus, I KNEW IN ADVANCE (which also you didn’t do with this title stripping move), that I would have had an easier time earning the title post-cataclysm because of the new ability to use flying mounts across the old lands.
Now no one today sees my title of Explorer and realizes when I earned it. But I know. I can see it. I still have the title. And I understand.
So Blizzard, thanks for all the years of game addiction. This was my first MMORPG. I met new friends I meet and converse with outside of the game. Thanks for raising the bar for others to improve upon. Thanks for the ability to have addons. Thanks for trying to keep all of us satisfied.
But this move to strip titles away without extreme forethought (the Blizzard Entertainment I knew - maybe before Activision purchased them) really saddens me.
By stripping away the title "Exalted" from so many dedicated players, you've stripped another title away from me.
"Subscriber"
Utakata Feb 10th 2011 8:20PM
Normally I would discourage players from leaving the game over this. I know they've screwed up on this, but their screw-ups of this nature are still a rarity. Blizz still does a lot of good. And the game is still mainly enjoyable...
...but after Blizz "flipping players the bird" with the use of Blue-speak and then locking the thread in question, warning us never to speak about this again...I'm not going to stand in your way if you want to leave. I am horribley disgusted with there reactions and response; it's terribley unprofessional of them.
I hope you find something better to play. I might have to find something else to play if they keep up this nonsense.
Indigo Feb 11th 2011 9:34AM
Such melodrama. Such lies. You're not going to quit, you're so invested in the game you post in the comments for a fan site.
Such inane bullshit adds nothing to this discussion.
I pity you, and those of your ilk.
vardos Feb 10th 2011 6:37PM
BTW, it will be very interesting to see the renewed uproar when the weekend only playing crowd jumps on the servers tomorrow night...
Lipstick Feb 10th 2011 6:47PM
I'm just irritated and annoyed. I think this was the wrong thing to do. I think after 135 pages of people complaining, them locking the thread and saying "our decision stands" was the wrong thing to do. I think how they approached this was just wrong all the way around.
Blizzard is becoming a company I don't trust.