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2-10-2011 @ 5:11PM
I think taking the title from those who had it was a real mistake, and they've crossed a distressing line here. I didn't have the title myself, but I'm concerned about the implications for similar achievements and rewards. It no longer feels like once you've earned something, you'll never lose it.
2-10-2011 @ 5:24PM
I wouldn't really say a title and achievement like "The Exalted" is especially common in the game, so I'm not sure how distressing this can be. A lot of the existing achievements are raid/dungeon-related, for levelling trade skills, or for pvp etc - I don't really see how they could turn around and suddenly say "sorry, you didn't kill the Lich King - no Kingslayer for you!".
2-10-2011 @ 5:35PM
They wouldn't say you haven't killed the lich king, they'd just say "Light of Dawn is much easier now that everyone is 85, so you no longer get a title to show off that you did the hardest fight in the game a while back." Or what about removing your violet proto drake because you've had several years to work on it now, so it's easier just by having more opportunities to work on it?Those are both extremely hyperbolic examples, but for people who worked hard on some of the reps required for The Exalted, it can feel about the same.
2-10-2011 @ 6:37PM
I don't understand why they would have to make another title for the new, updated achievement. Why can't they just have people who completed the achievement before 4.0.6 require 40 reps, and people who complete it after require 50? The "40 Exalted" is a Feat of Strength and the "50 Exalted" is the new standard.Boom. Done. No one was hurt, no one's title was yanked out from under them, and I don't see how it's technically not feasible or confusing to players. Why couldn't they just do something like that?
2-10-2011 @ 6:39PM
Addendum: When Cataclysm came out and new zones were added and changed to EK and Kalimdor, did peoples' World Explorer title get removed? Heck no.So why this one?
2-10-2011 @ 6:46PM
"It no longer feels like once you've earned something, you'll never lose it."I am sorry to say that I have already experienced this disconcerting and uncomfortable feeling.Example: When Cataclysm went live, my Keymaster achievement disappeared. Gone. Keymaster was fairly difficult to obtain as it required doing tedious or difficult quest chains, or a certain reputation level, for the dungeon keys. Since a lot of requirements for entry into dungeons changed, it only made sense that Keymaster would become defunct - but to not even grant it as Feat of Strength...?I do not have the Exalted title. I have guild members who do (rather, used to), and they earned it when "it was genuinely hard." They don't understand at all why they weren't grandfathered into it, or given a Feat of Strength at least.I see the point Bashiok is representing. It feels rather academic, though, and complete cowpie in its implementation.
2-10-2011 @ 7:24PM
Speaking as one who had the title pre-Cata, then lost it... I'm disappointed.I totally support updating the achievement. Keep it challenging based on the number of easy reps / available reps. However, removing it from people who truly earned it seems harsh. Update the achievement, update the earn criteria, but don't retract the credit for having accomplished something truly challenging.And that's just a title. If they take away my mounts.... *shakes fist*
2-10-2011 @ 7:52PM
I agree, and I really don't see the reasoning here. Just last weekend I logged on and got to join an Uld25 run I hadn't even planned on doing. Ended up getting "the Astral Walker" out of it. Was it way easier than it "should" have been? Of course. Is it still a cool title? Hells yeah. The fact that other old achievements are still able to be obtained without an increase in requirements (I don't know, 'Kill Algalon 5 times' or something) makes this change so very odd to me. And it's not like people can't still grind out other old "elite" titles. The fact that you have it, regardless of *when* you got it, shows that at some point you *did* put in the work so you got the reward. Why not just do it like (I'm sure there's other achievs that have worked this way but can't think of any) if you got it pre-patch, you keep it, if you didn't, now your NEW goal is 50. Just like how people who got The Insane kept it when they changed the requirements (which is sort of a backwards analogy 'cuz they actually made that one *easier* but flip it and it works).Very poor planning on their part I think.
2-10-2011 @ 10:00PM
@Snuzzle: If the "it's so easy now" factor was to be considered, the explorer title should have been removed instantly with the sundering.I agree with most people that voiced their opinion, removing something the player earned is a precedent. If tomorrow patch 4.1.0 hits I could find my toon naked, since "gear with ilvl359 is so easy to obtain now, it's no longer epic".
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