Gold Capped: TradeSkillMaster, the last trade skill and finances addon you'll ever need

edit: This post introduces the addon and concepts, but for a hands on setup guide, check out the basic and advanced posts.
I have been playing around with a new addon, TradeSkillMaster. I've talked about a whole slew of other tools players can use to make money before, but none of them are anywhere near as awesome as TSM. Before I jump in, though, you should all probably know that this addon is still in beta. There are a few little bugs I've encountered (and reported), but the addon works very well in its current state. Please note that when you download the addon, you will need to download each module separately, as the entirety of the addon's functionality is accessed through the modules. They are linked in the description section of the TSM main page, but if you have a Curse Premium account, you can get them all at once.
TSM is now my main tool for every single one of the markets I'm active in. That said, Sapu, the creator of the addon, needs help. He's done 95% of the code on the project so far, so if any of you are looking for an opportunity to work on an exciting and popular World of Warcraft addon project, I'd be just thrilled if it was this one. Down to business: what does TradeSkillMaster do, and why am I so excited that I wrote a post about it before it's done?
What it does
TradeSkillMaster (TSM) allows you to automatically queue up profitable recipes from your trade skills, automatically buy the mats if needed, automatically mail items to your posting alts, and automatically post and cancel your auctions. When I say "automatic," I don't mean "push one button and walk away" automatic. You do have to click once for each action. Still, it's a fair sight easier than having to sit in front of the auction house calculating everything by hand.
Who this addon is for
If you're reading this article because you want to take yourself to the next level of auctioneering, then this addon is for you. It's not an easy addon to set up, but it's not more complex than it has to be. Any addon that allows you to automate this much of your crafting, inventory management, and selling can't be too simple or else it wouldn't do much.
Also, knowing this, it's not loaded with features that aren't directly related to large-volume auction house play. If you want to list an item once, for example, you don't need this addon. It won't show you all your competition, and it won't let you post it unless you add it to a group for batch posting. I'd refer people looking for this type of functionality to Auctionator (which interoperates perfectly well with TSM.)
Once everything is set up, using TSM to keep your supply levels up and keep your goods on the AH is trivial. You may recognize this logic, actually; the whole concept of frontloading the research and thinking of auctioneering by setting up fairly complex rules so that you can log in once a day for 5 minutes was actually started by Quick Auctions. QA3 was discontinued with Cataclysm; however, TSM is a direct descendant of that code. If you were comfortable with QA3 (or AuctionProfitMaster or ZeroAuctions), then TSM will have some familiar elements. It is, however, a much deeper addon with an immensely larger scope than those were.
I used to have to use as many as five addons to manage my glyph business. QA3 was just the front end of the machine gun, but I had addons that helped with every step before that, from crafting to buying to milling. Well, solving the glyph problem was the first step, and now that logic has been applied to an addon that lets you use it for every single profession.
The level of complexity
I hope I didn't scare too many readers away by calling this addon "complex." Setting it up is a process that I will document in this column soon, but if you want to see some other writers' guides, they're available at the TSM wiki. I'd strongly suggest you read through Zoxy's and JMTC's guides.
That said, the only time TSM is complex is when you're learning it. The difference is that unlike smaller-scope addons with simpler goals, there is little you can do in TSM until you understand how it works. I'd suggest getting your feet wet by taking one market you're involved in and configure the addon to manage that. Use it for a couple of cycles before you go and apply your new knowledge to all your other markets. I discovered half the nifty little timesaving things about this addon after I had initially set it up.
Nifty, timesaving features
Here are a few things that really stand out.
- When you are in the process of setting up your crafting interface, you have to choose your recipes you are willing to make. (So even if that Copper Shortsword is showing a 20g profit, you won't have it queued up and taking space for weeks until you clean out your bags.) The process is quite painless, but while you do it, you can automatically add each item to an auctioning group, which means you don't need to manually set it up later.
- The default for new auctioning groups is to inherit their settings from the category, so no matter how many (for example) enchanting scrolls you add, each one will have the same pricing strategy you defined in the category unless you manually override them.
- Unlike every other iteration of the QA3 engine, this one has the ability to set the threshold value (how far down you're willing to undercut) based on materials cost. This is amazing for things like enchanting scrolls, when each one has its own combination of needed materials whose price changes over time.
- Once you've queued up a list of items you need to craft, the required materials are put into a nice, easy-to-read list. You can go to the AH and have it automatically show you the prices on these items one at a time. If you need something that's a product of milling, prospecting, or whatever, it will sometimes show you something you could buy to get the material needed. This feature is not yet as reliable as my own buying tools, though.
- If your list contains anything purchasable off a vendor, there's a button over the vendor that will auto-buy your stuff.
Auctioneering 4.0
Welcome to the future, folks. Casual auctioneers and hardcore farmers will still be the driving force in the market due to their sheer numbers, but with the ability to set up and use tools like this, the "hardcore" auction house players have the ability to accomplish their goals with unprecedented ease. I was listing between 30 to 60 auctions a week before I started on this addon because I didn't have the time to deep dive into the AH for longer than a few hours a week with all my leveling, PvPing, and raiding. Also, the more time I spent avoiding errors with my old setup, the longer it took.
Now, I float between 300 to 3,000 auctions at any given time, with no more than 30 minutes a day to do my jewelcrafting daily, re-list undercuts, and craft glyphs. I craft more thoroughly on the weekends, as always, and since I've finished the migration to TSM, my gold intake has taken a dramatic spike upwards. This will level off as my competitors start using it too, of course.
Looking for developers
This project is unprecedented in terms of its scope. It is the solution to 90% of the problems auction house players have. On the surface, it's easy to use and as easy to set up as possible; however, under the covers lurk some of the most gruesomely complex lines of code in my addons folder. It's a project that's well cared for, but the more people who jump on and start helping Sapu out, the more features will be added and the better this addon will cope with patches. You can chat with the devs on IRC if you want more information.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
Outdatedkero Feb 22nd 2011 1:41AM
In regard to updating, i've encounter a few errors that clear some settings with other addons when i update, any problems with this mods parts defaulting when its updated?
Sorro Feb 22nd 2011 2:33AM
I have very mixed opinions on this addon. On the one hand, it's just doing what anyone can do, but more efficiently.
But practically, it really kills casual players' chances at making any decent profit on the AH.
I just started making glyphs recently, and there are people that are seemingly on the AH 24 hours a day, undercutting me. Addons like this help the elite AH players crush casual players, who aren't going to understand how to set up a "complex" addon like this.
Yes, anyone who plays WoW can download this addon, but again, practically, who's going to take advantage of this addon? AH masters, who will just get a greater and greater percentage of the profits.
Addons like this are a trend of "arms escalation" of the AH that temporarily give a select few more power than the competition until everyone else is forced to learn to use it, until the next big thing comes out. Where does it stop?
It's like level 85's camping lowbies on a PVP server. Sure, you CAN do it, but it's an obnoxious, low class way to play.
Kylenne Feb 22nd 2011 4:07AM
It's going to be pretty unpopular, but I agree with you 100%. The thing is, I have to wonder why people who go to these lengths even play WoW. It seems to me like EVE, where this type of insanity is actively encouraged by the game's actual setup, would be much more their speed. Where's the challenge in stocking up metric assloads of money in a game like WoW? But then, maybe it's because they'd actually have much more cutthroat competition, for higher stakes? Hmm.
This old argument reminds me of the old flame wars over twinks in the BGs. Average players quickly learned to stay away in droves once twinks took over, because it was no fun to get stomped by someone who methodically went to batshit lengths to trick out gear, when all you wanted was to have a bit of diversionary fun to break up the monotony of questing. Any time someone pointed out how obnoxious this was, they either got told to L2P or were greeted with grandiose romantic notions of how twinks didn't do it because of some perverse love of roflstomping average players, no! The real meaning of it was in the challenge of twinking their toons, fighting other similarly tricked out twinks! Hell, that argument played out in the comments of this very blog more than a few times. And then Blizzard gave twinks what they always wanted (at least, what the disingenuous ones *said* they always wanted), in the form of xp toggles...only they would be forced to only fight other twinks. And we all know what happened to twinking after that.
I hardly think it's likely that casual players will ever be completely run out of the AH--after all, PvP is totally optional, but *everyone* needs money to play. But I can't get excited about this kind of thing. It kind of depresses me, tbh, as does the majority of this column's content. Bean counting to this kind of insane degree just seems like a spectacularly joyless way to play a video game. (And, for the record, the Gordon Gekkos out there would probably LOL at my comparatively paltry WoW "bank account", but I've never wanted for anything I needed or wanted, including the various gold sinks and vanity things. Of course, as a raider that works hard to get things, people who buy their way to things like Tabards of the Lightbringer make me want to hurl. And I see no fun at all in that, but hey whatever floats your boat, Veruca.)
Keith Feb 22nd 2011 5:23AM
A few points.
One, it's not actually that complex. Two, the point is that TSM makes it very easy. It may seem that your AH opponents are there 24h a day, but in reality it takes me 30mins a day to do four or five craft/post/cancel/relist runs. I have guildies who spend more time than that doing dailies or grinding herbs so that they can make as much gold as I make from two glyphs.
And third, for me at least, I'm not making gold for the sake of it. I bought a Darkmoon Trinket (far easier to sell glyphs to make 20k gold than to sit there making Darkmoon cards.) If Magmaw doesn't drop a weapon for me soon, I'll buy a BoE 359 and stick power torrent on it. I give away glyphs and enchants to my guildmates.
As far as casual players not being able to get into the glyph market if they're not prepared to use something like TSM - yes, you're right. Many things reward effort, and WoW is no different. Investing a few hours into learning TSM will reward itself many times over in gold. And if you don't want to do it, go farm mats or do dailies instead, and work much harder than you need to.
Basil Berntsen Feb 22nd 2011 8:01AM
A casual auction house player will do fine against someone using TSM- they will have to compete with them, but it's just one competitor. If it's a market like, for example, belt buckles or meta cuts, then aside from including them with your other business, TSM isn't going to offer much of an advantage at all.
adamjgp Feb 22nd 2011 1:28PM
I don't understand what you're complaint is. It sounds as if you're upset because there are smarter and more determined people out there that are willing to learn new tools in order to out perform those who aren't as smart, determined, or willing to learn those tools.
Is that what you're complaint is? If so, then I suggest that you take a good look at the world around you, and you'll notice that's how things work. I understand that WoW is a game, but you cannot force other people to have the same mindset as you. There will always be someone who is willing to put in time and effort to beat other people, whether it's in WoW or in the working world.
I get it, you're pissed because your prices are getting undercut by someone who spends more time on the AH than you do. I'm sorry, but that's how the system is designed to work, and IMO it's a good system. Reward those that understand the process and put in the time/effort.
Bashina Feb 22nd 2011 5:34AM
You mentioned your own 'buying tools' in the article, could you elaborate on these, i've some limited knowledge on the sources of materials, e.g transmutes, smelting, eternal conversion etc but there are often several sources for trade skill materials, is there a specific addon that can give me this information untill TSM is fully implemented?
Basil Berntsen Feb 22nd 2011 7:56AM
Not in game, that I know of- if you want information beyond the price of an item, it's best to keep the game tabbed and search for things in wowhead.
Epius Feb 22nd 2011 2:19PM
Actually I like to use the undermine journal for when I want to look at the best times to sell items. It also shows the average price of said item too which is awesome. Did I mention it also shows what your competitors are doing and when thru do it?
Try looking at it. It is awesome.
Docatron Feb 22nd 2011 6:43AM
@Basil
Next time you do an article like this can you make clear which other add-ons you where using. I'm assuming you were using some sort of quick posting add-on and probably a custom tradeskill frame. It would be helpful if you could list those, as it is difficult to find out how useful this add-on compared to what most regular AH users have installed.
Keith Feb 22nd 2011 7:05AM
TSM has a custom tradeskill frame. It also posts.
Basil Berntsen Feb 22nd 2011 7:55AM
^
To be honest, all I use now is TSM and auctionator. TSM for crafting, mailing, and listing, auctionator for buying.
Avrus Feb 22nd 2011 12:24PM
LOL U MAD BRO?
Duts Feb 22nd 2011 12:34PM
I know, rite?! Cuz making gold in Cata is so hard!
That being said, I'm still waiting for you to begin paying my $15 per month before I move away from the "you're too lazy to play the game properly" model of game-play. Of course, maybe if I looked at it another way - maybe the "poor casual player" is just stupid and should L2P the AH...nahhhh
brb needz moar cheezy poofs and gotsta cr@p before I cancel all my auctions and repost!
Epius Feb 22nd 2011 1:24PM
Hehe cheezy poofs. But in all seriousness if you do not like this article or what is posted here then do not read it. Just because you feel cheated should mean you should take your anger out on people who are just having fun in a game THEY pay for.
How about you keep your little rants to yourself because nothing will come of it except you making a fool out of yourself.
On topic now I would like to say that even though I do not plan on playing wow as much due to another game and RL I am going to give this add on a try. I am sitting on 5k gold (roundabout) and want to see how much money I can make from focusing on two markets for a week. I think I will start tonight and see how it works.
May your loot be epic and your day full of joy.
Epius Feb 22nd 2011 1:26PM
Good job to Basil for taking that comment down. Now half of my raper post is irrelevant. Drat!
Duts Feb 22nd 2011 4:13PM
^ this! My post before yours even looks dumber! /sadpanda
My comment about "you paying" for my gametime makes it look like I'm tea-baggin on good ol' Basil.
Basil Berntsen Feb 22nd 2011 11:21PM
Hah, that wasn't me. I leave the banhammer safely behind the emergency glass, accessible only to my betters. But yeah, it leaves a trail of orphaned "u mad bro"s wherever it goes. Alas, such is life on the internet.
adaml5000 Mar 6th 2011 12:04PM
Is there any capabilities of buying and reselling with this add-on? And how does it compare to auctoneer