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2-21-2011 @ 9:26AM
my guild has a pretty similar problem, also going without solution so far.it was stated about a month and a half back that there would be 2 to 3 10 mans going, me being one of the raidleaders. there were several unlucky events, including my pc crashing and not working for two weeks, a teammate of mine closing down his bar, so failing to play a lot due to understandable real life issues, and my maintank strolling of to the top guilds of our server and raiding progress there with their B teams, downing 7/12 bosses so far.I decedid to let the case rest, as I made clear to my guildleader that i wanted to build a raid with 'my' people, whom I knew from icc and the like. so when it became clear that there were not enough of them available to fill up the 10 man, I stepped down from the raidleading position.the part of the team that's still arround a lot now raids outside the guild in a quite well assembled and lead 10 man of good friend of our priest heal.but here the drama started: the second group was delaying their raiding nights for strange reasons. the raid leader wanted to wait for a lvl 84 character to gear up before he started to get going. then there were people missing, although i even asked him if i might have a chance to run with them on my alt, but he said no, he already has like 20 people to squeeze in a 10 man.and when the first raidnight came around, it was a mess. i wasn't too surprised, i know the players in the group, and i have to say i wouldn't take them on my team. but it struck me odd what i heard from all the people in the team: the raid leader was going crazy.tactics were not explained properly, people were shouted at due to small mistakes, threatend to be kicked from the team if their dps wasn't to be over 12k and the like.all of this is clearly against the policies in our guild, and leaves me with a bad feeling.i'm not sure what to do, i'm thinking to ask to take over the raidlead and attend the raid on my alt, but am afraid of the reaction of the current raid leader.anybody got an advice for me there?
2-21-2011 @ 10:03AM
Personally, I think you're part of the problem. When you say, "...I made clear to my guildleader that i wanted to build a raid with 'my' people, whom I knew from icc...", you are exclusionary and people instantly can see that. You also moved your main to a progression guild. If you can't raid in this guild on your main, why are you still there? If I were in your guild and saw you complaining about lack of progress while running off to down yet another boss on your main, I might not be civil and I'd certainly think 2 or 3 times about going in a raid you were leading. You're not helping inspire confidence that any bosses can be downed when you can't raid with them on your main and you'll only raid with 'certain' people. Advice? Leave this guild and join the one where your main is. Your exclusionary attitude does not bode well for people respecting you as a raid leader. Don't kid yourself. They know. If you don't want to do that, then offer to take 10 people into a raid. Take the first 10 who sign up and meet whatever criteria is needed for the raid. Don't take 'your' people. Treat them with kindness and courtesy, even if you wipe six times. Expect there to be a learning curve and that people need time to learn an encounter. Don't yell or scream at someone even if they always stand in the fire. This is a test run for them AND for you. If you can be calm under the pressures of leading a raid with a variety of people, it will quickly follow that you can lead and people will want to raid with you. Then, if the trial raid goes well, do it again with completely different people. It's about respect. If you don't respect the people in your guild, they won't respect you.
2-21-2011 @ 12:09PM
i see that i sort of establish a more exclusive society in the guild for an outstandera point to make: my main is in this guild as well, i joined the raid group to take the place of another dps, and the raid leader invited me to stay.the problem is that the 'exclusive' people i wanted to raid with are more or less my old raid group, we know each other, we agree on most things concerning raid attitude and so on.i am aware that i would have to start from the beginning leading another raid, having to teach people tactics, general things like keeping their mouths shut during encounters and so on. my attitude would be a different as if i were to play with a group of people i know.the real question for me is: should i take over the raid group or not? would it be an insult on the raid leader? or would it be ok for the forthcoming of this raidgroup, assuming i would hop over my shadow again and teach them pretty much the basics of raiding?
2-21-2011 @ 12:26PM
His main tank moved to another guild, not his main.You might rewrite your comment now considering the entire first paragraph is based on you misreading that.
2-21-2011 @ 3:07PM
And even so he still got upvoted...Although I do agree the 'my people' attitude is harmful...
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