I wonder why raiding has become so complicated in cata. My guild went through a similar issue, well not the whole guild mainly me i guess. Anyway, a group of RL friends had this guild, and invited a handful of wow friends (me in that 2nd catagory) right before cata's launch, with lots of alt's, and added new members. So roughly 50 toons total, mostly 85s now. I had raided with this guild prior to joining it, that was part of my reason for joining it. Most of them hit 85 a week before me, mostly because I lvl'd entirely without the dungeon system because I couldn't find the dang entrances. Then another week ensues of me trying to up my ilvl to get into heroics, since i finally found the dungeons. By this point the others have been pugging the raids to get the experience. Finally I am ready to raid. We have 15 people raid ready, but some are alts and others just arent interested in raiding. Which ends up with exactly 10 people for the raid, which includes me. I get my 1st calander invite, I accept, I talk to everyone in chat about how excited I am to finally raid. I get to go on one raid, we did OK, got first two bossess down, of course they had seen it before since they pugged, I had not. Week 2, I get my calander invite, i accept, talk about it in guild chat, raid time comes and goes and I'm sitting in org waiting on a group invite, guild chat has gone quiet. Finally look at roster and all 9 people are already in the raid, sans me. I'm ticked, guild chat lights up complaining about some person i've never heard of, obviously the pug they took instead of me. Week 3, I get my calander invite, i accept, we talk about it in guild chat. Raid time comes and goes, guild chat goes quiet, i wait in org for my group invite. Repeat week 2, everyone is in raid already sans me, guild chat lights up complaining about a person i've never heard of. The next day I breakdown and talk to one of the key members, and he says well we have an odd number of toons, so we are going to have one officer run and one other run as soon as so&so gets to 85. Now i'm even more ticked "I AM AN OFFICER" And besides, odd number of toons?? what does that have to do with taking a pug? There were 10 raid ready and willing members online at the time of the raid, guild members should come before pugs, period. The next day the GL pst's me, apologizing profusely to me, part of the officers think that progression is more important than who gets to go, and the other part thinks that guildies should come first. He was trying to keep the peace, at first that didn't anger me, but after I thought about it I realized, that means that there are some officers who think that we won't finish the raid "if" I come along, or "if" I come along we won't get anywhere. I mean that had to be what they meant cause I was the only one excluded. Me not going would get them farther into the raid. Well RL ensues and the day after me and the GL talk the guild starts to break apart, people joining other bigger guilds so they can get into raids easier, since guild members come first after all, ironic huh. And the guild is left with not enough people to put together even one 10man. I too left shortly after that, I was going to give them another chance, but with the guild not raiding at all together anymore, and me doing all my raiding with another guild, why not join that other guild?

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