How far have you progressed in Cataclysm?

Anyway, at some point in the middle of a conversation with a mage friend, I said, "At a rate of three quests per night that I actually log in, I should be 85 in two years."
"It really gives you some perspective on how much you have to play this game, doesn't it?" he responded.
I hadn't been serious about the statement I made, but it made me think about the hours I had to play to get to 85 on my main. It occurred to me that if you only play WoW for an hour or so every few days, it would probably take a couple months to get to level 85 from 80, and that's only if you're completely focused each time you log in.
This got me wondering how far into Cataclysm everyone else is.
| I'm leveling my main. | |
|---|---|
| I'm leveling my alts. | |
| I'm gearing up my character(s) in normal and heroic dungeons or unrated battlegrounds. | |
| I'm raiding normal 10- or 25-man dungeons on one or more characters. | |
| I'm raiding heroic 10- or 25-man dungeons on one or more characters. | |
| I'm PvPing in rated battlegrounds or arena. | |
| I'm waiting for the next major content patch. |
Raiding progression
Of course, as a pretentious and self-absorbed raider, my first instinct was to hit up WoW Progress to check out their stats on completed raid content. This is what I found. (Note: there is no distinction between 10- or 25-man kills.)
Right off, I wasn't too surprised about the proportions between heroic and normal mode progression. The first tier of content in an expansion always progresses more slowly than the proceeding ones, since getting enough level 85 characters can sometimes hold back normally active progression guilds, and it is still early, even if the top guilds have been done with the content for weeks now.What surprised me most was the drop-off for Nefarian, since I'd consider it a much easier boss compared than Al'Akir, for example. I would say Nefarian is lot less forgiving when individual players "stand in fire" than Al'Akir is, but maybe more guilds have had the opportunity to put several nights of attempts in on one but not the other. (Alternatively, maybe the 10-man version of Nefarian is not tuned properly and that's blocking a lot of 10-man guilds?)
Leveling up
After looking at WoW Progress, I wondered what other bits of data I could dig up. Raiding is still its own beast after all, and not everyone does it. What about data on the levels of characters? I hopped over to Armory Data Mining but quickly found that it hasn't yet been updated for the new armory, so I had to settle with WoW Census. (WoW Census isn't as accurate since it gathers information in game through an addon, which requires participation from players to collect data. Information on certain servers isn't as complete as it is on others.)
WoW Census reported that there are some 2.5 million level 85 characters out of a total of 5.8 million characters. That means about 40% of the characters out there have the potential to take part in end-game content. Not bad.
But, seriously, are 14% of them really paladins?
Who's PvPing?
Next I wondered about PvPers. How do you track them? I poked around Arena Junkies for a few moments to see if their ranking pages would give me any information about the number of players participating in rated battlegrounds or arena, but there didn't seem to be any sort of available tool or filter to access that kind of information. I guess I was out of luck.
So what about you, WoW Insider readers? You might have noticed the poll before the break, but let us know where you are in the game right now. Are you a dungeon crawling champ? An alt addict? Are you doing something other than PvP and raiding? Achievements? Rock collecting, maybe?






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
Jeff Feb 25th 2011 2:04PM
I'm in a fairly casual raiding guild. We're 8/12 Normal modes as of last night. Nefarian, Ascendant Council, Al'Akir, and Cho'gall are the bosses we haven't downed yet.
Rich Feb 25th 2011 2:13PM
Your guild is not casual.
PictoKong Feb 25th 2011 2:30PM
We just got into raiding a few weeks ago, and we are 3/4 BoT, 3/6 BWD and 1/2 ToTFW...
That is, we are going to be 5/6 soon, we are currently focusing a lot on BoT but we need a bit more experience before cho'gall
Devin Feb 25th 2011 2:30PM
How exactly does content experienced determine their status as casual/hardcore? If you only raid 1 hour every other week I would say you're a fairly casual player, but what if you manage down the aforementioned bosses in that time? By the same argument if you raid 8 hours/week and are still only just getting into raid I would hardly call you casual. So in the end the casual/hardcore argument is completely ambiguous and I’m probably wasting my breath.
ADNAN KHAN Feb 25th 2011 4:02PM
actually i am with jeff on this one. I am in a fairly casual guild and we are 7/12 with being very close to 9/12 ...
Camo Feb 25th 2011 2:32PM
Casual doesn't mean it takes weeks for them to learn how to move out of the fire...
Thundrcrackr Feb 25th 2011 2:35PM
@Devin
No one raiding only 1 hour every other week will have downed all those bosses.
Groth Feb 25th 2011 2:35PM
I'd disagree Rich, I'm in a casual guild which raids twice a week for 2.5 hours per raid, and we're at 7/12 having only started raiding in January.
Just because the guild is casual doesnt mean that people arent geared appropriately, know the fights, know their class mechanics and can down bosses.
Transit Feb 25th 2011 2:42PM
@Jeff and Rich
This is kinda what is bothering me. We are about 7/12 ourselves (The blind dragon in bwd is giving us issues) and we are fairly casual ourselves I feel. I was worried about seeing the 4.1 content patch news, as I felt that it showed we were way behind in content. But Rich's comment, to me, seems to imply that we may be kinda advanced.
Which is it? Is there a way to find out where the average raider is at? Are we behind, on course, ahead of where the average raider should be?
Jeff Feb 25th 2011 2:58PM
@Transit
I think most people are about where we are (7 or 8 downed) if not less. Reading forums would give you the impression that anyone worth their salt is well into heroic modes, but that is of course not the case.
In any case, I wouldn't worry about being behind. We're only just barely hearing inklings about 4.1. We still don't know what the new raid tier will be. 4.1 is still a very long way off. We have plenty of time to down those last bosses :)
Como Feb 25th 2011 3:08PM
@Rich: Just because your guild is bad doesn't mean you can't be casual and still have progressed. We're 7/12 and we're lucky to get in 3 hours a week.
Galestrom Feb 25th 2011 3:25PM
We're 11/12 on our top team. The other two teams are sitting at around 5/12 & 7/12, respectively. We're at around 9-12 hours of proper raiding a week.
I'd deem us casual/serious if I had to choose a box. We try to keep things organized and efficient, which we've decided keeps things fun -- or steeped in Epicism™, as it were. ;)
I think it's interesting to note where others are, but our progress thru the expansion is our own, and all told, we're having an awesome time with it. =)
Lissanna Feb 25th 2011 3:52PM
Casual vs. hardcore raiding just ends up being a matter of how much time you spend raiding. You can still progress on less time. Once we geared up enough, boss kills started being a lot easier on 10-man. Some guilds spent December running 5's instead of raids, and that set of guilds (starting raiding in January) is definitely more on the casual end of the spectrum, but that doesn't mean they have to suck just because they have lives.
Lupius Feb 25th 2011 4:41PM
The best distinction of hardcore/casual lies in how well the raid/guild is organized, not the amount of time you spend inside the raid instance. If you spend 3 hours of quality raiding per week and get 7/12, that's pretty hardcore. If you raid 3 hours a day every day with constant afks and people dancing in fire, you're still casual.
I know several 10 and 25 man guilds who raid only two nights a week and they're doing heroic modes. I call that hardcore.
Urganoth Feb 25th 2011 4:46PM
Just cos a guild is casual doesnt mean it sucks, our guild is one of the most casual on our server, 3 hours 3 times a week and started raiding in jan, but we are currently leading our server's ally progression in front of guilds raiding every night for 5 hours
Skarn Feb 25th 2011 5:07PM
Regarding Rich's comment, the trick is "what does Casual/Hardcore mean?" The words mean different things to different people. Time investment? Progression? Skill? How many wipes it takes to kill a boss? What defines it?
This is why the words are so utterly, ridiculously STUPID. Well, they just drive me crazy. Stop trying to define the MILLIONS of people that play WoW with just TWO words! GAH.
I personally define casual/hardcore based on time spent. Top guilds like Paragon will raid every day for hours and hours to be the first to down the content. THAT is hardcore. Not a lot of people can spend that kind of time. Casual is, to me, something like raiding 1-3 days a week for 2-3 hours a day. There's a middle ground too, of course! In fact, the label could be applied differently. A "casual player" may only log in 1-2 times a week and quest for an hour or two. A "casual raider" may log in 3-4 times a week, but only raid 1-2 times.
I myself am in (what I would call) a casual raiding guild. It's a small group of friends. We only raid 2 nights a week, but we work well together and have a good time. It's been a good week, we're up to 7/12 now. We got the Twin Dragons down on Tuesday, then got Chimaeron down on Thursday! We're pretty pleased. I doubt we'll get through Heroic modes before 4.1, but we don't really care about those.
Aanye Feb 25th 2011 5:07PM
My hats off to all of the people in here who are raiding 4-5 hours a week and seeing a fair amount of progression. I think it's a great sign that Blizzard has raids tuned to a place that you don't have to be "hardcore" to be making some progress in current content. I feel like this is a major contrast to Wrath raiding which, although not exactly difficult, felt like it required 12 hours or more a week of raiding to remain even remotely competitive.
I'm guildless and not raiding right now, but the groups and progress you all are describing are EXACTLY what I hope to find when I get going.
snuf42 Feb 25th 2011 6:15PM
9/12 at the moment, working on Cho'gall (10% last night... so close). We consider our raiding schedule to be casual, but our attitude isn't. We typically raid about 6-7 hours a week, with two groups of 10 man.
Decided to add a third raid night with whoever can run from both our groups. We just work on whatever is left over from the regular raid nights. I find this is a nice way to get some additional kills in as well as give guildies that don't normally raid together a chance to run with each other.
pancakes Feb 25th 2011 7:07PM
Our (10 man) guild is in a strange area between casual and hardcore under the previous definitions. We have chimaeron, al'akir, nef, and chog'all left, and raid for 3 hours, 4 times a week, but we're struggling with attendance. Often we've had to pug 3-4 people.
I personally think that casual/hardcore is defined by raiders' attitudes toward raiding. Our core raiders are, for the most part, dedicated and very good at their roles, but I'd still define us as casual because the majority of the guild doesn't have the motivation to raid consistently.
SamLowry Feb 25th 2011 11:25PM
Raiding "3 hours 3 times a week" is not casual. Sorry.
Casual is being forced to level alts because heroic 5-mans are still highly problematic.
Casual is gathering your JPs from regular dungeons while hoping the next content patch provides much better gear for many more players, which will then make heroics easier.
Casual is being a tiny mammal living beneath the notice of the dinosaurs, biding your time, waiting for your big chance.