Gold Capped: Ore-splosion

The auction house is starting to have to stack all the ore they're listing for sale out back of the warehouse. Elementium Ore and Obsidium Ore have, in the last few days, been listed in quantities most people would consider unimaginable at prices that make auctioneers cackle. Until they realize that everyone has gotten this amount of stock. Level ones have been cropping up like mushrooms and listing hundreds of stacks of ore per night on every server I've checked into. I'm not the only one who has written about this.
Everyone loves cheap Cataclysm ore. It means cheap blacksmithing goods, cheap gems, cheap enchanting mats, and cheap engineering items. It also has the unique benefit of having the highest price floor of any ore ever introduced to the game. Obsidium prospects into 6 green quality raw gems and an average of 0.3 rare gems per stack, and elementium into 4 green and 1 blue. This means that if you do nothing but cut and vendor the greens for 9g, the "floor" for obsidium is 54g, and elementium is 36g. Then you have the rares. This floor is the bare minimum of what the ore is worth, but it's used for so many things. What else can we do with all of it?
It's all gravy
Assuming you get your ore for under this magic threshold, you'll be able to make back your investment doing nothing more than cutting and vendoring prospected gems. That's a relatively low gold per hour, though, even if you're watching movies in a tab and don't really count it as full time auctioneering. Let's discuss your options:
- You can sell blue quality gems cut or uncut. Many of them are very cheap, however the reds, purples, and orange gems will hold out their prices the longest. Eventually, however, if this supply continues, every single gem will sell for about the vendor price.
- If your market's price for meta gems is not too low, you can transmute all your rares into metas. Each craft will cost you 160g because that's what vendoring the mats would have gone for (assuming you cut them first). Note: the transmute mastery for metas is bugged and does not provide 20% bonus meta gems. Each craft is worth 2 gems, but the procs only go up to 6 (unlike, for example, Wrath of the Lich King flasks, which proc up to 10).
- So long as you can source cheap herbs, you might be able to move your green quality gems 3 at a time if you transmute them into blue quality gems. The minimum price for the blue quality gem must be more than 27g plus herbs, otherwise you're better off vendoring the cut greens.
- You can turn all your Carnelians into Carnelian Spikes. Don't pay the Wowhead disenchanting page any attention here - instead turn to the comments. These disenchant like a higher iLvl green weapon and will net you a lot of Greater Celestial Essences.
- You can "shuffle" your green gems by making them into low level green jewelery for disenchantment. I'll post a proper article about this, but Hessonite and Alicite are most commonly used. Zephyrite and Nightstones can sometimes be sold at a decent margin to people doing the dailies.
I never see ore at this price
Some realms aren't getting ore anywhere near this cheap. Even on the ones where you can see the market price on the Undermine Journal slipping down to the target zone, sometimes you won't see cheap ore when you search the AH. The best time to pick up these deals seems to be the morning: the earlier the better. The ore goes up for sale a couple hundred stacks at a time, and as soon as a jewelcrafter with time to burn sees it, they buy it.
Additionally, it can be worth checking several times a day. I picked up 200 stacks one morning, and when I checked back a few hours later, another couple hundred stacks were posted at the same price from a different level one mule.
The effect
I don't want to speculate about the reason for this recent surge in supply, and focus instead on its effects. Assuming it continues, the net effect is that all products with ore as a base material will become cheaper. The margins should remain about the same because those are determined by the number of crafters, not the number of farmers. Cutting gems, for example, will probably continue to be profitable because even if the price of the raw gems approaches the vendor value, the cuts continue to require a JC who has the recipe and the space to manage it.
There are a few markets that work now that probably won't continue to work. Lots of people like to try and flip green quality gems by buying them cheap and selling them when they're the JC daily. Depending on how fast people can process (cut/vendor, craft/DE, or whatever) these gems, this may stop working. The prices just won't go up that much for the gem taken by the daily if everyone has several hundred waiting to be sold.
The price for enchanting mats, already quite low, will probably continue to drop if people continue to disenchant the craftable greens. The demand for dust is low in comparison to what we saw in Wrath, and adding more dust to the AH won't make the prices go up.
The other effect that a long term supply raise would have is drastically lowering the price of Volatile Earth. It's a by-product of mining, as well as a direct product of prospecting Pyrite Ore, which you get when you mine Elementium.
The last effect is that this might prompt Blizzard to notice that they're allowing us to vendor cut green gems for more than cut blue gems. If this were to change, everyone who bought ore above the current minimum price threshold would lose money unless they could figure out a way to move those greens at about the same price. That would certainly flood the market, though.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 4)
QQinsider Mar 2nd 2011 2:26PM
"Unfortunately the speed/teleport hacks function by exploiting a hard feature of the game-- namely that the client tells the server where the character is. So the hacks send a false signal to the server, teleporting the character around the map. Presumably changing this part of the game would take drastic changes and would probably result in more problems than it solves. So it's easier to just look for people exploiting a known vulnerability than change everything and open themselves up to new ones."
No, not good enough.
Nearly all multiplayer clients work that way, FPS as well as MMORPG, but many of them manage to have protection against speed/teleport hacks. You just need some code on the server to check that the requested movement is valid, and if it's not (i.e. you got from point A to point B faster than you should have) then you get kicked.
It's not rocket science. It's simple common sense design. Any server that blindly accepts input from a client without validating it is poorly designed.
Pyromelter Feb 28th 2011 4:18PM
"I don't want to speculate about the reason for this recent surge in supply..."
Anyone want to speculate on the surge in supply? I'm curious about it now.
Eirik Feb 28th 2011 5:31PM
The Blue Child is in retrograde and the Pale Lady is in ascendance. Trackers in Mulgore report a plague of locust is coming, and only Deathwing can stop it. In addition, Kil'jaeden was recently slain again by an Alliance raid. Can't you see? Can't you see? It's right there!
Eirik Feb 28th 2011 5:42PM
A more serious possibility: The mailbox in uldum means that mining drones don't have to leave the zone or level up engineering (etc) to send product to market.
Sonalita Feb 28th 2011 4:23PM
Whilst this all sounds great and ppl who need the ore are loving it, there is a moral issue here. Where has all this cheap ore come from? Bot farmers and gold sellers - the same people who have no scruples and will plunder any wow account hey can hack or con people into giving them for "levelling services"
So by buying this cheap ore, you are condoning and encouraging the gold farmers/sellers.
Do you feel all warm and fuzzy still?
thefool Feb 28th 2011 4:39PM
"So by buying this cheap ore, you are condoning and encouraging the gold farmers/sellers."
Is there any solution other than to buy the ore at the market price? The bots/gold farmers have brought the market price down, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the specific auctions you buy are from the gold farmers. What about miners? Obviously they are getting screwed by a lower market price, but now people should feel bad about buying their auctions?
Bouncing Gnome Feb 28th 2011 5:16PM
I also know several guildies who enjoy mining/herb-picking. Mainly absent-mindedly for relaxation, while chatting on Mumble.
Swings. Roundabouts.
Eirik Feb 28th 2011 5:41PM
Buy from people or alts you recognize. Avoid people or alts you don't. Put questionable sellers on your friends list, and chat them up when you catch them online, and put them in the "buy from" or "avoid" category based on your interaction with them.
Report people you identify as botting. (Announce them in trade chat, if you feel vindictive.) Report alts you suspect of botting; Blizzard can track down bot trade networks easier than you can, and with greater accuracy.
Recognize also that "level one alts" may also be level 58-9 death knights.
And that the level one alt may be a "legitimate" player's bank alt, that he shipped ore to from a mailbox.
Lilliah Feb 28th 2011 8:11PM
I don't think the ore influx is mainly from bots or gold sellers. What I see is a lot of people who leveled new toons in Cat quickly, and now they're leveling their professions. It'll come full circle.
Phil Feb 28th 2011 4:27PM
I think a better title would have been Ore-gasm
Quorniya Feb 28th 2011 4:33PM
We must have very efficient bot-eradication measures on US-Proudmoore, because I almost NEVER see ore prices this low. ONCE on a Friday night someone posted a ton of Obsidium ore for 45g a stack, and I snapped them up fast and easily doubled my profit. But since then? Obsidium ore has been around 57-90g per stack every time I've checked, and Elementium about the same.
Sterb Feb 28th 2011 4:40PM
Thanks for saving me the trouble Quorniya, I was about the same thing. I don't know if you're speaking for the Alliance or Horde side, but Horde side certainly isn't seeing any huge dip in prices.
Quorniya Feb 28th 2011 5:10PM
@Sterb: Yep, I was talking about Horde-side. I *wish* we had the ore prices Basil describes! My JC would be so happy!
VioletArrows Feb 28th 2011 5:34PM
Last I looked, the prices on my server had been about that bad for at least a month. Herbing isn't *as* bad, but I still reported plenty of bots. I basically gave up on mining Cata ore and went with Vanilla rares for levelling alts. :/
The bots are also getting better about not being seen, but I would still catch one or two glitching out as they 'fly' away.
atomicstrawberry Feb 28th 2011 8:13PM
There's probably a few factors in play with that. It's a high-pop server so there's more demand, plus the server's got a strong raiding playerbase in Asia & Oceania which means that the number of players on through a 24-hour period is a lot more consistent, which results in demand staying a lot more firm throughout the day. On other severs it will dip a bit when there are less players on.
Incidentally if you check Undermine Journal you'll see that the price for Elementium Ore is slowly but surely trending downward on Proudmoore-US over the past few days - same for the herbs. Obsidium hasn't gone down at all though, even though the supply has spiked. Probably the extra supply means more people are doing the Shuffle.
Quorniya Feb 28th 2011 4:34PM
Er, doubled my money, not doubled my profit. Comment fail!
Covert7 Feb 28th 2011 4:37PM
I'm sure my single experience might not totally explain the surge in supply but from my time playing the game lately I find it very easy to load up on ores while out farming.
Now I keep all the ore for myself as I'm a JC but I can easily load up tons of ore spending even just a half hour or so flying around Deepholm or Uldum. I haven't kept exact counts or anything but I'd estimate maybe 10-15 stacks in that time? It just seems like there's no shortage of nodes. And I'm not farming at weird hours either. I tend to do this around 6pm server time usually.
So I won't claim to know exactly what's going on but maybe this little data point would be interesting to others...
Suinimtao Feb 28th 2011 5:23PM
Oresome?
Sterb Feb 28th 2011 4:47PM
Thanks for saving me the trouble Quorniya, I was about the same thing. I don't know if you're speaking for the Alliance or Horde side, but Horde side certainly isn't seeing any huge dip in prices.
Sterb Feb 28th 2011 4:47PM
Damn this comment system.