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3-01-2011 @ 10:37AM
Only on wow insider can you find news of a massive nerf followed by a column with the phrase "i think the change is a positive one...".The day a columnist expresses chagrin is the day i'll eat my own head! I'm well aware the lemmings are crawling over each other to downrate this and I don't care. Shield spam was squashed with the mana increase. The duration nerf is completely unnecessary. It's not a positive change dawn.
3-01-2011 @ 3:15PM
Wow, and most of the time I get complaints that I'm too negative. I can't ever remember being accused of being too positive. This might be a first. Are you sure you actually read my columns and didn't just happen to stumble upon this one? Last week's column was a huge QQ fest about discipline getting screwed, if I recall. Seriously, go back ONE week and you're going to have to figure out a way to send me pictures of this head eating you've promised.That said, I'm going to use you as the platform for my responses to many of the comments on this article. There were many graceful disagreements in the comments, but since yours wasn't I'll go ahead and tag you "it." Let's begin ...If you think the change is unjust I really can't help you. I don't know what you did in ICC, but I know that I spent 6 months going up and down 5 groups of people applying shields and then repeating it. It wasn't fun, and I had tons of comments from people last year complaining about it being horrible. Now I have tons of comments from the other end of the table complaining that you're all mad it's being taken away? Where were you guys last year?I'm somewhat surprised that there are a ton of you who believe that shield spam is the core of disc healing. Shields are the core, but shield spam is not. There is a difference, and this change is not going to dramatically change any priests playstyle other than shield spammers. This change hurts shield spammers and pretty much no one else. The mana issue did -not- resolve the problem, because more gear was going to eventually counter it. There is already a priest in my guild, nowhere close to best in slot for heroics (he's in full 359s though) and he shield spams on almost every encounter and I've never heard him call for an innervate. It will not be long before many other priests are in that situation. Would you really want Blizzard to have to raise the mana cost on PW:S every tier to keep up this change?I don't know if you know or remember this, but prior to ToC and ICC, disc priests were never played like this. Soul Warding wasn't even introduced until shortly before patch 3.1, and it wasn't until Algalon that there was any reason to, from start to finish of the fight, blanket shields on your group. If you think this change destroys the class, you haven't been playing it that long, and I think you and everyone who wants to keep shield spamming is being a bit selfish to all the other priests who have been playing this class for 2, 3, 5, 7 years and always enjoyed that it was one of the most complex healers in the game and that the more skill you brought to it, the more reward it gave. We like pushing many buttons, and we try to forget the dark ages of CoH spam.Now yes, there are problems in PvP; I expressed those. There are problems in solo play; I overlooked those because I focus on the game from a multiplayer angle but some of the commenters did a fine job expressing the problems. You know who you are, thank you. But in group PvE? Everyone who thinks this is going to be a disaster is overreacting. Aside from which, you can still put up 10 shields at a time. If you want to shield spam, then just keep reapplying shields and never stop. There is no situation where a target who is actually legitimately taking damage isn't going to have that shield consumed before 15 seconds has elapsed. And if such a place exists, what are you worried about? If the shields aren't getting used in 15 seconds you probably outgear the encounter or don't need them for whatever it is you're trying to apply them to in the first place. All Blizzard has done is made it so that shields are no longer an all-purpose cleaner. They've made it into one of those "just for kitchen surfaces" type of cleaners. But guess what? You're still in the kitchen 50% of the time.You're going to be fine. You'll adjust to this in no time. You'll forget you even cared about it before you know it.
3-01-2011 @ 5:08PM
I read your column last week. You started by praising the mana increase in its ability to stop shield spamming. You even mentioned you couldn't do it yourself even with an innervate on heroic maloriak (which calls into question your claim that all 359 gear overcomes the mana nerf fix). You then pointed out that some priests were still able to spam shields using a holy/disc hybrid spec with soul warding. That was quickly squashed in a hotfix by blizzard which you also praised.So once again, it seems wow insider columnists can only applaud blizzard changes. For more evidence see the not too distant 'great kitty druid nerf' and the shifting perspectives column discussing the changes as positive. I don't play a druid and every druid I know mothballed their toon after the great nerf hit. But somehow this change was supposed to be good for them.Now, as far as the majority of your reply trying to defend the new healing model over shield spamming-that's a strawman. I've never claimed the shield spam model was fun and I don't support it. My comment was calling you out for praising the 15 second rule as a fix and asking why wow insider columnists are incapable of finding anything bad to say about a change.The 15 second change is going to do 2 things in PvE: increase disc overhealing (shields don't get to absorb full damage) and decrease mana return via rapture (less time to shield in preparation of an incoming AoE). Those do NOTHING to further the anti-shield spamming effort by blizzard. As for the argument of gear eventually allowing shield spam to re-emerge, that may be true. But it's no different for any other healing class as holy will be able to spam more flash heals as gear improves. Eventually holy pallys will be able to spam FoL again. This is a problem that blizz created and that blizz has to now figure out. And defending the new 15 second rule as some miracle solution to bubble spam is not convincing me.There will be no video forthcoming of me eating my own head. Your arguments are bunk.
3-01-2011 @ 10:52PM
I already laid out all my responses to you regarding my thoughts on Blizzard. I'm not going to respond again cause I don't need to. If you interpret all of my criticisms as hearts and sunshine then you're only reading what you want to read. I have continually expressed my doubt in Blizzard's desire and ability to balance their game.I will respond to your PvE argument though, namely your statement about the shield change affecting Rapture.The shield-before-incoming-AoE Rapture trick you referred to doesn't work anymore and hasn't worked all of Cata (you'd know this if you read my column regularly =D) If multiple shields break at a time, you will only get the return for one. When it comes to mana, placing more shields before AoE does nothing but spend it. If you're concerned about Rapture procs, you can download an addon at Curse.com to track the cooldown and tighten up the time between Rapture procs to as close to 12 seconds as you possibly can (by applying shields to the right targets at the right time) but you will never get more than 6% of your mana back every 12 seconds. The change won't affect Rature since placing shields on the tanks alone is enough to make sure you're proccing Rapture every cooldown or shortly after every cooldown, and since most priests are already placing shields on the tank every time weakened soul is up, this shouldn't be much of a change to playstyle.As for overhealing I'd like you to explain a situation in which overhealing is going to occur and why exactly it's a bad thing. It's a really weird angle to argue from because overhealing only occurs if the priest wants it to. The way I see it, if you use your shields on the right targets (targets taking damage) they'll be fully consumed. If you use your shields on the wrong targets (targets not taking damage) they won't be fully consumed. The penalty for choosing the wrong target is the waste. Those are the same rules normal healing spells play by - if you cast Prayer of Healing on group 5, but only 2 people are hurt. The wasted healing on the other three members of the group is the penalty. The change does not increase overhealing, it just increases the amount of wrong targets you can choose to shield - it won't increase your overhealing if you select the right target. That means overhealing comes down to skill. If you don't want to overheal, you have to make decisions, and whether that is good or bad, it's what Blizzard has said they want. If you make a conscious decision to shield a wrong target, that's your decision to overheal, just like it's your decision to overheal 3 people when you use PoH on 2. Arguing against the change because of overhealing is like defending bad decision making.
3-25-2011 @ 6:22AM
Disc wasn't even really considered that good of a pve class pre tbc even in tbc. it was all about holy heals. Or at least they were the default go to as a healing priest. Not only did I find it super fun to spec disc my first time and enter a raid and be in charge of shields, telling holy specc'd priests before the raid started to avoid using their PWS on anybody but themselves, but it looks freaking awesome to have an entire raid full of bubbled toons. It's just another way to play the class and not everybody should be "punished" (im afraid to use that word) and such a great spell that's been so consistent throughout WoW's existence shouldn't be punished or altered just because of how we decided to nullify a bit of raid damage in wrath. If you want to point fingers and call people nubs for shield spamming that's your deal, but it comes off as elitist. If you have a more optimal way of playing a disc priest than by all means knock yourself out but blizzard shouldnt pigeon hole any classes imo. I was a disc priest in the past, now im shadow-ms holy-os and the reason im not disc priest-os is because one of my favorite past times as disc was rolling bubble and spamming holy nova for the aegis in heroics and running the entire heroic with 0 damage healed. To me that was so cool and badass that I had the mana to support that type of play, it made me feel ultimate. It's sad that Blizzard would want to take this possibility away. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe it is still possible and I just haven't been trying. but to me it sounds like the goold ol' days (a wednesday to be sure) are long gone. T___T
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