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3-04-2011 @ 10:07AM
Something seems weird about the OP letter, that they kicked this girl from the guild bc she was vulnerable about criticism, but then they get worried about another player taking advantage of her, but then they mention that a bunch of officers are suspicious that she lied about being depressed, but then they want to contact her parents to make sure she's okay. Either you care about her wellbeing or you don't. Pick one. It's a bit hypocritical to kick someone from your online social group, then to be worried about someone socially taking advantage of them. You know what would help her not be exploited by that creepy player? If she were in a guild with other adults who can say, hey, we'll help you play the game AND not be all creepy. Maybe she absolutely wouldn't take any criticism, but maybe she would if it was from people she felt were looking after her. Sometimes people need more than a month of online play to build trust. And even if she was someone you couldn't take into raids or heroics, you could still keep her in the guild. If you were really worried about her, you could offer her a spot back in the guild, so she could have a support system of guildies. The whole "I'm worried for her but I don't want her around us creating drama and being difficult" bit, I'm not buying.
3-04-2011 @ 10:17AM
WoW.Excellent points, and on further reflection, I agree. I guess that I may have done the same thing that Powerless did in an attempt to keep the drama down BUT try to feel better about "the poor kid". But your points make me think that it may not be the best way to go.
3-04-2011 @ 11:01AM
I completely disagree.Is it a kindness to keep the girl in the guild to show her that her behavior has no consequences? No. It's good to show her that she needs to make some efforts to behave well when grouping with others. It's also a definite unkindness to the rest of the guild to allow her to throw her temper tantrums and suck everyone else's fun.There are also degrees here. Just because they don't want to spend time with her doesn't mean they want her to be taken advantage of. I don't like the bratty chick at the corner store and I won't buy things there because of it, but that doesn't mean I want a guy twice her age to break her heart and take her innocence.
3-04-2011 @ 11:42AM
@RobinThe point, I think, is skepticism. Unless Drama Mamas has more evidence than what was stated in the letter we all were privy to, there's nothing there to imply the girl was "throwing tantrums and sucking fun". In fact, the girl hardly interacted with guildies other than the accused pervert. She didn't, based on Powerless's letter, appear to be a real drain on the guild at all. The pervert probably was (with the drunken harassment of another guildie to make a point as evidence), but not the minor. I tend to think some people like to create more drama than actually is called for. Sure, it's better to be on the safe side, but people have a tendency to be overly moralistic at times. The first respondent to this blog was a person named Ice who claimed he/she had to "keep an eye" on drama-makers, because "somebody had to". I submit that in many cases these self-appointed morality police are actually the creators of some of the drama the rest of us wish to avoid.
3-04-2011 @ 12:32PM
I think the turning point where the OP and his/her fellow officers went from skeptical to straight out concerned was when they were confronted by the alleged creepy dude. I can understand, from an officer's POV, the necessity to remove someone due to their overall behavior or because their behavior was disrupting the guild/raid/game environment. Some players who are unceremoniously kicked-- both young and old-- have the tendency to guilt the GM/officer(s)/guild with, "But I'm depressed!" or "I've had a rough life!" or "I have this condition...!": stuff you can't possibly prove online and just adds drama fuel. A lot of times, the skepticism arises out of, "Well, why is this suddenly relevant when you made no indication of such things beforehand?"But despite all of that, that's no reason to dismiss the alleged danger to the person as "out of sight, out of mind." My guild has a strict "No Interaction" rule with black-listed ex-guildmates (e.g. those kicked for unsavory reasons). You can talk all the crap you want in /g so long as people tolerate it. But don't go and actively, for example, grief the person or-- in this case-- have disreputable conversations with them, especially when they're a minor. And since the alleged creepy dude is another (ex)guildmember, it crosses into officer/GM jurisdiction once again.I think the main concern of Powerless is making sure that (s)he has done everything they could to make sure nothing bad happens-- regardless of what they think of the young girl and the reasons they kicked her for. The absolute last thing Powerless and their guild want is to hear that some worst-case-scenario has happened and they're wondering, "Did we do everything we could to prevent it?" or the finger gets pointed at them for not doing enough to help. (I'm quite sure we've seen some extreme cases of parents blaming WoW communities, guilds, servers, et al for some mishap to their child before.) It's not hypocritical; they're more concerned citizens who feel that they're witnessing something bad and want to prevent it, or at least see if there is anything they can do further to prevent it.I hope this addressed what you were talking about, Frozenstar!
3-04-2011 @ 5:47PM
There's a difference between being a less than desirable guild member and being an actual human being in potential real life danger.
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