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3-11-2011 @ 9:30AM
That video makes me want to gkick someone.And I don't know what to say on this one... I definitely feel the writer of the letter got put behind the proverbial 8-ball and caved a bit due to emotional concerns. It happens. However, the girl in question has shown numerous times to be a problem, so I hope she expects to be on a short leash, and hope that the officers won't coddle and overlook future problematic behavior just because of all of this.Its sad to lose an officer over it, but that's the sort of thing that happens when you throw down ultimatums. If someone in my guild throws down an ultimatum, they're going to lose, regardless of whether or not they're right. You just don't do that.
3-11-2011 @ 9:45AM
Seriously... Could Tori Amos be more pretentious?
3-11-2011 @ 10:57AM
Um - Tori Amos performed Smells Like Teen Spirit in memoriam for Kurt Cobain in concert the day he was found dead.
3-11-2011 @ 10:58AM
Doesn't make it sound any better.
3-11-2011 @ 2:04PM
I believe the misuse of ultimatums have resulted in your negative attitude towards it. I do not believe all people who use ultimatums are like "a toddler and throwing a tantrum to get your way." We use ultimatums everyday to protect ourselves and to make people rationalize. Couple of quick ultimatums that I've heard alot in college is "If you drink and drive, I will not ride with you." or "If you do drugs at the party, I will not go with you." I do believe those to be a legitimate reason to use ultimatums. I've have used an ultimatum on the GM when he tried to make a quick decison that would tarnish our name and went against our core principles and beliefs. So, I told him I would step down as an officer because I did not want the rest of the guild to think that I backed the decision and tarnish my name. In the end, the GM reconsidered after holding an officer meeting and found out that 5/5 of the other officers felt the same way. Now our guild is stronger for it, and the GM respects me for standing up for what I believed.If used properly, you can make someone realize that their actions do have consequences and to think about the situation more. All situations are rarely black and white.
3-11-2011 @ 2:10PM
Did she also record it and release it on EP 2 years prior to his death for the same reason? or was *that* simply because she's pretentious?
3-11-2011 @ 2:18PM
Perhaps I should have specified I meant the "her or me" type of ultimatum.
3-11-2011 @ 8:21PM
Actually, I'd have to say the ultimatum made perfect sense. The officer and this person had an altercation, this person has a history of misbehaving. This person was kicked from the guild because of it and then was let back in after yet another sob story. There is no penalty for this person.The ultimatum was "I don't want to be in a guild with this person", when this (assumedly) reliable OFFICER was told that the other was once again staying with no real penalty, the officer politely left the guild without making a scene or anything.If the Officer had written in, from their point of view, everyone in the comments would be saying "go ahead and leave the guild, it's obvious the leadership is arbitrary in their rules and doesn't appreciate your input" or somesuch.
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