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3-11-2011 @ 3:50PM
Why would you get "chewed out" for underperforming? Especially since all of the details of the encounter were not looked at? A HUGE detail was the tank did not have a shield equipped, but besides that point and more importantly it's a f*ing GAME!?!?! Its borderline psychopath behavior to rail on somebody over a very pointless video game. I really don't know why people get this emotionally invested over things like this. They must have removed all other important problems from their life to be upset about something like this.
3-11-2011 @ 4:10PM
Couldn't agree more. But it does get annoying when one person decides to slack off and make it suck for 9 or 24 others. Folks need to realize that wow is not a job.
3-11-2011 @ 6:28PM
I think, what bothered me more is the fact that RL chewed you out without examining other things first. And simple examinations of the encounter would have revealed the tank forgetting his shield.
3-11-2011 @ 8:25PM
Folks also need to realize that there is a middle ground between treating it like a job, and carelessly disregarding the time investment other players are making. This is the biggest reason behind failed PuGs and, arguably, the most important benefit of guilds: you need to play with people that are making similar levels of investment. Yes, there will always be people that put in more effort than others; no, not every member of a raid needs to be willing to lead (or even capable of doing so).That said, this is a game in which, the more time, effort and knowledge you invest, the greater your rewards will be. There are far too many people who try to ride the coattails of those who have invested more, while hiding behind the "it isn't a job" excuse. These coasters are trying to capitalize on the efforts of others and shouldn't be surprised when they're called out on it.In this story, a player was chewed out for not meeting the expectations that the team had agreed upon. You'll note that the response wasn't, "this isn't a job, man" - it was, "somebody deserves a chewing out over this but I'm not convinced it should be me."
3-11-2011 @ 8:44PM
Not everyone plays the game the way that you do. Some people play the game competitively. They enjoy this edge, just as you clearly don't. In those guilds there are definite roles, and responsibilities. If someone isn't getting results, or is failing at their role or function, you're told to improve. It's not that unreasonable. Not checking all angles and just yelling at the healer lead though -- isn't quite as reasonable. It's one of those things which can only be funny after the fact.
3-11-2011 @ 8:55PM
"That said, this is a game in which, the more time, effort and knowledge you invest, the greater your rewards will be."What are these great rewards? Even if you are a world first or realm first raider then you are not gaining much more than the casual gamer that waits for the eventual content nerfs/gear upgrades and enjoys the content at their own pace? And no wow is not a job, a job pays a salary. There are very few people being paid to play Wow, if any at all. Maybe those select few have reason to get disciplined for their poor performance. The rest of the players should relax and enjoy the game. If someone is not performing up to your expectations then find someone else to play with. Also if you downrated my previous comment, why? If it is off-topic that I can understand. If you just don't like what I have to say, wallow in your ignorance then. I am glad I don't have much interaction with people like you.
3-12-2011 @ 1:57PM
No, WoW is not a job, it's a hobby and a game. Just like, say, basketball is a hobby and a game. If you play in your town's league, you can't just not turn up to a game, or not be prepared, or not give your best. What's the achievement? A "win". What does that mean in real-life terms? Not much! Just the same as in WoW. Hobbies are for fun, and that fun can include a competitive element of performance, be it physically (sports) or mentally (computer game) or in terms of communication and team effort (both of the above).
3-12-2011 @ 5:13PM
The 'chewing out' comment got to me as well. Even if you play competitively, it was still wrong of the raid leader to 'chew out' the healers immediately. What s/he should have done is sat down with the healing lead and had a post mortem to work out what was going wrong and see if they could identify how to fix it. A good leader pulls his or her team together. Individual responsibility and improvement is desirable whatever level you raid at, but doing that means a) you have to analyse the problem so you are solving the right problem and targetting the right person and b) that you come up with a workable way of enabling that person to fix the problem.In fact if this were a job in many countries you wouldn't be allowed to get away with the abuse I've heard some raid 'leaders' lay out on 'underperforming' raiders. You'd be sacked and sued for bullying.That's what getting angry, accusing and ranting at people is, bullying. Chewing out doesn't work; it makes nervous or shy people distressed, it makes competitive people annoyed and makes them stop listening, it angers those who are competent and trying their best and those who don't care just shrug it off 'whatever'. None of those are helpful reactions. Note the comment above about the person being got at being upset. So instead of it being laughed about as a silly mistake that is incredibly unlikely to ever happen again it caused pain and upset to some people.If you're leading a raid and it's going badly, don't try to fix it if you're still angry. You won't help your team; in fact you're probably making it worse. Call it or take a break to calm down and review the problem.
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