The Queue: Saccx East
by Michael Sacco 
Mar 12th 2011 at 12:00PM
Fatigue? Odd, cold-like symptoms? Aching feet? Smell resembling sweaty feet wrapped in onions wafting through the air in the tabletop gaming area? It's con season, folks. Welcome to Boston.
Ninjivitis asked:
So, the titans couldn't remove the old gods without destroying Azeroth, but why didn't they just kill them? Players have killed two so far and it doesn't seem to have had any affect on the word.
We haven't killed any Old Gods, at least not in any meaningful way. We "killed" physical manifestations of C'thun and Yogg-Saron, but it's not as if we've eliminated them completely. We've just pushed them back to whatever dark place they live in until they gather their strength enough to manifest again, like C'thun did (in record time) after we defeated him in Ahn'Qiraj.
Umbralwrath asked:
Is it acceptable to advertise Mysterious Fortune Cards in Trade chat? Despite them being an item Blizz has put in the game, I've heard rumors of players being warned or banned for advertising them on the grounds of it being unacceptable to advertise "gambling" or "in-game casinos".
I myself make a decent profit on these, usually selling the most after posting an ad, however I make sure to state that they are worth anywhere from a few silver to 5k instead of "OMG WIN 5K!". Some of the people on the forums have said the ads should include no mention of a chance to get 5k whatsoever, as this could be construed as advertising gambling. Is the issue with advertising these simply a matter of people using misleading wording, or should they not be advertised at all other then maybe linking the item and stating the price?
I've not yet heard legitimate reports of people being warned or banned for advertising Mysterious Fortune Cards, and I honestly don't expect anyone to be in that situation unless they're using deliberately misleading wording. You're advertising an item for sale and giving a description of a possible outcome of the sale. Nothing wrong with that.
If you want to be absolutely safe, follow commenter Drakkenfyre's advice:
Jacofalltoons asked:Selling them is fine, advertising them is fine, but just to be on the safe side don't advertise them like "Gamble on a chance to make alot of money!", just say something like "WTS Fortune Cookie. Possible results are Xg-Xg."
With Cataclysm we got a our level cap raised to 85, so with that said if you in fact had Cata you get to level to 85. My question is do you think its possible to get to 85 without even setting foot in the Cata area's. I mean there is more than enough Wrath content to get you to 85 if you had Cata to raise your cap level in the first place. What do ya think?
I think it's possible, sure, but it would take an extremely long time. When you hit 80, experience gains from mobs and quests under level 80 are slashed by a full 90%. Given how many millions of experience points it takes to hit 85, you'd have to kill a whole hell of a lot of mobs. Let's do the math.
It takes 22,180,300 XP to get from 80 to 85. Assuming no rested experience, you would normally gain 980 XP for killing a level 80 mob at level 79. At 80, these mobs would give you a whopping 98 XP. If you did it with just mobs -- and you'd need to after a certain point because no quests would be available to you -- you would need to kill 226,330 level 80 mobs. It's difficult to rough out how long it would take in actual hours, due to AOEing and that kind of thing, but the scientific approximation is "a long-ass time."
It's so insane they'd have to give you a title for it. (Note to Blizzard: Do not do this under any circumstances.)
Erania asked:
When are you guys going to re-do your Patch 4.1.0 art button on the right hand side of the screen since Ragnaros kinda isn't in it anymore...?
Good lookin' out. We'll look into it.
rypg33 asked:
Being OFD (originally from Dorchester), I was mildly excited to see a Dorchester shout out and mention of dbar in the post. Is there a large contingent of WoW Insider East in the Boston area?
Fox lives in Boston and I live in Berkshire County, which isn't Boston at all -- but in relative distance compared to other states, it's pretty darn close. Mat McCurley lives in NYC, which isn't a huge trek from Boston. If other WoW Insider staffers live on this coast, I'm either forgetting or unaware.
Speaking of Boston, if you're at PAX East, join us at Lucky's Lounge at 9 p.m. tonight for a little mini-meetup for WoW Insider readers.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Aaron Mar 12th 2011 12:01PM
"Players have killed two so far and it doesn't seem to have had any affect on the word."
Ummm. You mean besides the CATACLYSM? The two are related. Blizzard hinted as much at blizzcon.
fallemwarrior Mar 12th 2011 3:03PM
We didn't kill them we just injured them
Revynn Mar 12th 2011 12:39PM
You have a source on that? It's pretty clear that all the destruction of the Cataclysm was a direct result of Deathwing breaking through the elemental plane. You can point to the fact that Deathwing's corruption and madness were (likely?) caused by the whispers of an Old God, but that's kinda like saying "I punched you in the face, the next day you were still pissed off about it and threw your TV out the window, therefore I broke your TV".
Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't remember the "hint" you're referring to.
lownwolf Mar 12th 2011 1:05PM
It was definitely said at blizzcon at the lore panel. find a transcript and you'll have your source.
They asked the same exact question and metzen said something like "uhh have you heard of the cataclysm"
the person asking the question responded just like revynn and metzen said, "yeah. But who is pulling deathwings strings"
He then went on to reference Nizz'oth our something like that, you'll have to look it up
Herman Mar 12th 2011 1:59PM
The burden of Proof, as they say, is on you.
Revynn Mar 12th 2011 2:01PM
@ Lownwolf - Even if the Old God's are directly pulling Deathwing's strings (and I agree that they are, I'm not disupting that), the problem that the Titans had with killing the Old Gods was that it would -directly- kill Azeroth. They weren't worried about the Old Gods having a ragefit after getting beat up and pressing the planet's Self Destruct button, but that the planet itself wouldn't be able to survive the death of beings that were so deeply rooted in it. The death of Azeroth they were trying to avoid was a -direct- result of the Old Gods dying, which is what the OP was reffering to and the reason we have to believe that C'thun and Yogg aren't really dead.
Think of it this way:
Direct result - "There's a poisonous spider on my daughter's face. I'm confident that hitting it with a baseball bat will kill it and that I wouldn't miss, but I also know that doing so would severely injure my daughter, so I'm just going to brush it away before it has the chance to sting her"
Indirect result - "There's a poisonous spider on my daughters face. I'm confident that hitting it with a newspaper will kill it and that I wouldn't miss, but I'm concerned that killing the spider in front of my daughter will cement images of violence in her mind and that she'll grow up to be a serial killer, so I'm just going to brush it away before it has a chance to sting her".
I usually don't like arguing semantics, but this is one of those cases where it's a very important distinction to make.
xan Mar 12th 2011 2:36PM
WoWInsider is your source on that.
Here's the quote from the article, and then I'll post the link.
"One of the people asking questions at the panel brought up the Tribunal of Ages event, pointing out that despite us players having "killed" two of the Old Gods, "we're not really seeing much calamity happening." The response from Afrasiabi was a succinct, "Have you played any Cataclysm?" followed by a, "You know, where the world blows up? Because of the Old Gods?" from Metzen."
http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/26/blizzcon-2010-quests-and-lore-panel-highlights/3
Aaron Mar 12th 2011 3:05PM
Thank you Xan, that is exactly the quote I'm talking about.
squig_masta Mar 12th 2011 3:05PM
"You clearly haven't seen who signs Deathwing's paycheques" was another hint they dropped. I'm still cleaning the coke stains on my desk from laughing at that...
Revynn Mar 12th 2011 3:22PM
Fair enough, I'm not entirely sure how to argue that one besides pointing out that Azeroth breaking up due to Yogg's death (because we have heavy evidence that C'thun is still alive) at the exact same time as Deathwing blowing a hole in the roof of Deepholme is a pretty incredible coincidence. Especially since, lorewise, it was several years between Yogg going down and Deathwing emerging. The longer the window between two events, the less likely their involvement with each other.
Perhaps it was the Cataclysm that created the hole and Deathwing just took the opportunity to escape from Deepholme, but why would physical damage create a dimensional rift? And why would Deathwing need to wait for a hole to be created in order to come back at all, since he didn't need one to go there in the first place.
Maybe it was Yogg's death that created the Cataclysm, but then why would the destruction be centered around the Maelstrom, rather than Northrend where Yogg was imprisoned?
It's hard to argue a statement from Metzen himself, but I don't think what he said makes any sense at all. We have evidence that C'thun is still alive (the comics with Garona and Cho'Gall, the statements by Twilight's Hammer NPC's in Deepholme) which lends more weight to the argument that we are -incapable- of killing an Old God and that Yogg is still alive, if simply recovering from getting punched in the face.
Skarn Mar 12th 2011 4:24PM
It hasn't been several years since Yogg "died." 3-5 since C'thun died, but only a few months since Yogg. End of Wrath (Death of Arthas) to beginning of Cataclysm (Emergence of Deathwing) was not "years."
With all the changes it SEEMS like years, but it wasn't. Most of the changes like the rebuilding of the bridge in Redridge or the building up of the garrison in Westfall happened between Vanilla and now. It was just that the graphical changes hadn't been made. Problem with game design.
vocenoctum Mar 12th 2011 4:27PM
Not sure on Cthun, but it's entirely possible that another Old God would masquerade as him to entice the established cult into their own.
The Blizz quote seems more geared towards Old God activity rather than the consequences of a death of one, but maybe they meant that because of Yogg or Cthun's death that the other Old Gods have stepped up plans. Or maybe Deathwing's release is because Yogg's death set him free psychologically speaking, to become a rampaging harbinger of doomaggedon.
Neither of which really translates from the "if the old gods die, the world falls apart" thing.
Alexran Mar 12th 2011 5:35PM
Lol Revynn. I give you credit for trying.
What Metzen was suggesting is that Deathwing, whose corruption is entirely attributed to the Old Gods, was egged on to go on his destruction spree by the Old Gods. And in the cinematic, some of the destruction, quakes, and tidal waves occur without deathwing in the frame! Could this be one of the old gods whipping their subterranean tentacles?! Possibly. THe Old Gods aren't dead yet. They're like a hydra. We've whooped two heads so far, but there are more. And like the quest text in a Bael Modan quest says, we hope the other heads stay covered up.
Deborah Mar 13th 2011 3:47AM
I believe the Wrath of Lich King Expansion Page proves that Yogg was really killed......
"Now the Lich King Arthas has set in motion events that WILL lead to the extinction of all life on Azeroth. "
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/wrath/
Lezhteo Mar 12th 2011 12:05PM
Ywaq maq oou; ywaq maq ssaggh. Ywaq ma shg'fhn.
They do not die; they do not live. They are outside the cycle.
Akurano Mar 12th 2011 12:38PM
I thought they were referring to the undead that inhabit Ahn'Khanet when they said that... not the old gods.
JoeHelfrich Mar 12th 2011 12:58PM
That was one theory at the time, but the Faceless Ones in Throne of the Tides and Grim Batol are still saying that (or variants of it), with the Scourge no longer a significant concern.
Sleutel Mar 12th 2011 1:11PM
I want to be eaten first!
http://www.hellblazer.com/media/chick-cthulu.html
littlejbond94 Mar 12th 2011 12:06PM
first comment :) and m question would be if you had to choose between pie or cake which would it be
fallemwarrior Mar 12th 2011 12:17PM
Cheesecake