Gold Capped: How to do the jewelcrafting shuffle

You've bought your ore at a discount, you've prospected it all, and now you're trying to decide how to make your money back. Like in Wrath of the Lich King, we have the ability to process all of these raw gems in some way in order to make more money. This is usually called a "shuffle"; it amounts to common sense and knowing what the gems can be used for.
Let's start with the basics. Each of the three modern ores prospects slightly differently.
- Obsidium Ore prospects into six green-quality gems per stack and a residual number of blue-quality gems.
- Elementium Ore prospects four green-quality gems per stack and one blue-quality gem.
- Pyrite Ore prospects into four green-quality gems, one and a half blue-quality gems, and an average of eight Volatile Earths per stack.
Stupid Basil, those Pyrite will eventually provide epics
There's a school of thought among a bunch of the armchair economists whose comments I've read that states: Since epic Wrath gems were prospectable from Titanium Ore when Blizzard introduced them, Blizzard will make epic Cataclysm gems prospectable from Pyrite Ore when they're introduced. The supply of Pyrite will be severely strained to match the demand for epic gems, so stocking Pyrite now is the best possible use of the ore.
Allow me to rebut. First, assuming you're in it for the gold, you have to compare gold now versus gold later differently. Long term investments are okay when they pay out, but since it usually means you have to dedicate free cash and inventory slots to the investment, you have to weigh that cost against the potential reward. You can often make money by immediately prospecting Pyrite, so if you choose to speculate on Blizzard's future patches, consider offsetting your risk by also taking advantage of the current profits in case you're wrong.
Second, risk is a serious factor. I am not nearly comfortable enough forecasting Blizzard's trade skill development decisions based on past behavior to risk any serious amount of money on bets one way or another. I am willing, however, to bet against betters. If Blizzard decides to never change the prospect table for Pyrite and introduces epic gems some other way, I'll be sitting on the AH buying up panic sales all week. You can never lose betting against panicky betters.
Okay, tell me how to shuffle now
Right, back on track. You're going to have stacks and stacks of rare and uncommon gems, as well as maybe Volatile Earths. What do? Well that depends on what additional trade skills you have access to. I'll start from the base processing that you can already do and then talk about what additional processing might possible if you have access to a specific trade skill.
Green-quality gems, including Alicite, Hessonite, Jasper, Nightstone, Carnelian, and Zephyrite, can always be cut and vendored for 9 gold each. This is the reason people talk about price floors for ore. Blue-quality gems, including Ember Topaz, Inferno Ruby, Amberjewel, Demonseye, Dream Emerald, and Ocean Sapphire, can all only be cut and vendored for 3.75 gold, so the only way you're getting money from these is if it comes, ultimately, from a player. Let's look at both types of gems now.
Green-quality gems
Since we have so many of these, let's look at them first. Depending on how many of these you have, it may be better to just cut and vendor. Some of the additional processing markets can get flooded easily, and the vendors don't care how many gems you dump on them. You always need to avoid flooding the market, and your fallback will always be the vendor. I do as much of the following as I can before defaulting back to the vendor.
- Carnelians can be transmuted into Inferno Rubies if you have access to an alchemist. The demand for these this expansion is again head and shoulders more than any other gem, so it's probably not possible to flood this market. It is a player demand-based market, though, so eventually we may find the flooding point. Be aware that Heartblossom can be expensive, but also be aware that at some point in the recent weeks, the supply for this herb skyrocketed, possibly because of an undocumented Blizzard hotfix to the node spawn rated.
- Zephyrites, Jaspers, and Nightstones are sellable to other jewelcrafters doing their daily when it's one of the quests that need three of these to be cut. Be aware that this is the most easily saturated market of all of them, as everyone else who has stacks of these uncut green gems will likely be trying to get more than 9g for them at the same time. Also be aware that the more something is worth at the vendor, the more it costs to list. I'd suggest using a 12-hour list with a stack size of three, and don't put more than a few stacks up. You'll get undercut, and they'll expire. Every expired auction is profit from the sold auctions that has to be made up for. Also, remember that the vendor doesn't charge a 5% AH fee on that 9g for cut gems, and the AH does.
- Jasper can be made into a ring that can be disenchanted if you have access to an enchanter. The price of enchanting mats is usually already through the floor on most realms, so calculate whether this is worth it before you do it. For the calculation, you can assume that each ring will give you one and a half Hypnotic Dusts and half a Lesser Celestial Essence. You'll only get one or the other per disenchant, but after you do enough of them, that's what you'll get on average. The reason I didn't mention all the other rings and necklaces here is that they all take two raw gems and a setting, whereas Jasper only takes one. All these greens have a chance of proccing a blue BoE that might be worth 50g on the AH or at least the price of the shard from DEing it.
- Carnelians can be made into Carnelian Spikes, which despite what the Wowhead disenchanting table claims, prospect most of the time into one to three Greater Celestial Essences. Check if this is more or less profit than Inferno Rubies, but this is a basically unfloodable market. After you DE enough of these, you can expect them to yield an average of 2 GCEs and just under one dust each.
- Last but not least, you can make two Shadowspirit Diamonds with an alchemist and three of each green gem. Before the transmute procs, this means a raw (if you vendored the greens) cost of 162g for two, and it's higher when you consider the lost profits from the other businesses here like Carnelians being worth 20-30g when transmuted into Inferno Rubies. Also, contrary to what I said in a recent post, the transmute mastery for these actually does yield 20%. I haven't seen a 10-proc like I did for Wrath flasks, but I have seen 7- and 8-procs. This is allegedly because the game calculates the proc twice per craft, once for each meta.
Incidentally, every time you use the lowest common denominator and vendor cut greens instead of processing them in some way and selling them to a player, the server's economy inflates a little more. A large portion of the money your miners are getting from you ultimately comes from the vendor, and when they spend their money, they inflate the economy. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's certainly a change. The big sources of real new gold in the economy until Cataclysm were quests and monster kills. Vendoring cut green gems and maybe the new guild perk are certainly on that list now.
Blue-quality gems
The interesting thing about blue-quality gems is that they have very little residual vendor value. It's certainly possible to get so many that the only way to turn them into money is at the vendor, but you'll be doing it at 3.75g each after the cut.
The gems that have the most demand are:
- Inferno Rubies, which provide agility, strength, and intellect cuts
- Demonseyes, which cut into some of the more popular combination gems (like int/spirit)
- Ember Topaz, which cut into some of the other popular combination gems (like int/haste)
Remember that when you're liquidating these, there are two primary outlets for them: cut and uncut. If you decide only to sell cut gems, you might in theory make a higher profit margin; however, you will certainly sell fewer of them. If, however, you sell the uncut as well, you'll move more. Based on the number of rare gems I've been working my way through, I decided to sell uncuts as aggressively as I sell cuts, not not the three above colors. I don't care about profit percent on the other three less popular gems; I'm just trying to avoid vendoring them.
I know that every time I sell an uncut gem, it may prevent a sale of a cut gem, but there are a few things to remember:
- I don't have all the cuts, so I might be taking a sale from my competition instead.
- If my competition buys uncut gems from me, they're still going to have to compete with me for the cut sale, and I'm guaranteed to have gotten my profit in already.
- If my clients buy my uncut gem and have a friend cut it, at least I got to avoid vendor a blue-quality gem.
Filed under: Economy, Cataclysm, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Revnah Mar 14th 2011 7:20PM
I might be too tired, but if what you're talking about is selling the cut gems for the JC dailies: that isn't possible. To do the daily, you have to cut the gems yourself so the only way to hit that particular market is by auctioning the "raw" gems. And that isn't too expensive, if I remember correctly.
If that's what you meant and I got it all wrong, apologies and feel free to downvote :-)
Saeadame Mar 14th 2011 7:48PM
I think he meant selling the uncut gems in groups of three, so people can cut them for their daily.
Pyromelter Mar 14th 2011 7:57PM
He was referring to selling the raw gems on the AH on the day of that daily, in stacks of 3, I'm guessing for something significantly above 9g/gem. If you can't get, I don't know, 11 or 12g per gem, it's not worth it putting the raw gems up there.
xiani Mar 14th 2011 7:39PM
Someone did the maths on the *time* it takes to do this in quantity:
http://bankofwukam.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-obsidium-shuffle-still-worth-it.html
It starts to get a bit silly when you need to vendor a lot...
Pyromelter Mar 14th 2011 8:00PM
There used to be an addon that would auto buy and auto sell certain items that you set up in the addon when you clicked on a vendor. That would significantly cut down on vendoring times if that addon still worked (dunno if it does or doesn't).
Basil Berntsen Mar 14th 2011 8:03PM
I use a few macros to make it easier. It's no worse than afk smelting- just clear your bags, craft all, and check back in 10 minutes to hit your "vendor all" macro. Rince and repeat.
Donegan Mar 15th 2011 8:30AM
The addon I use to automate selling is Sell-O-Matic2. I believe the default setting will only vendor greys but you can configure it on an item by item basis to vendor whatever you want. However...
The downside is that because the market changes, you can't just set-it-and-forget-it. And an accident could prove costly. Managing it with macros is probably a better idea.
Bezier Mar 14th 2011 7:46PM
Personally, I wonder if it's worth it. It's definitely profitable, but man.... the time it takes now...
Tirrimas Mar 14th 2011 8:25PM
Is the addon pictured Auctionator?
Amanda A. Mar 14th 2011 9:06PM
Yes. I am jealous; I've never seen elementium below 65g/stack....
Sky Mar 14th 2011 10:07PM
Elementium normally goes for 45-50 in my server and it never goes beyond 60
Ryan Webb Mar 14th 2011 9:06PM
Advice for people wanting to farm Elementium and Pyrite Ore!!!
Twilight Highlands is the place to be! I will tell you the reasons why.
1. Fly over the Verreal Delta. Every now and then you're bound to come across a node. Start from the ocean then continue along the path of the delta looking for ore. Keep going until you finally reach up to the waterfalls (I found a pyrite there.)
2. Go up to the Twilight Citadel area, you're always bound to find the nodes along the edges of the rocks, and even within the lake in that area too.
3. Elementium Depths. They call it this for a reason, and its crawling with elementium nodes and maybe even a pyrite deposit or two.
4. Go to Obsidia's Lair. It doesn't hurt to try. You'll sometimes find the nodes in there.
5. That's pretty much all you need to know. I went to all these areas within an hour timeframe and got 180 elementium ore and 12 pyrite ore. Pretty good amount if you ask me.
And for the heck of it:
6: Profit!!!
Koleckai Mar 14th 2011 9:54PM
That is a good route to tell people about. It doesn't conflict with my route when mining in TH and I get good results. However when Ore is cheap, I just buy it from the AH.
Amanda A. Mar 14th 2011 9:21PM
Ore is still expensive on my server-- 70g or more a stack for both kinds-- but I have noticed the price of raws going down, to the point where it's more efficent to buy raws as needed and cut them instead of prospecting and relying on RNG. I've also noticed that the demand for my cut gems is somewhat down-- it's an RP server with abysmal raid progression, so I guess that a lot of the people who were buying a lot of my gems are as geared as they're going to be with current content.
Is it a good idea to buy up the cheap raws now for when the new 5-mans drop, in hopes that demand will spike? It seems that most people who pve on this server only run heroics and don't raid, and I suspect that people will want to gem their shiny new epics....
Koleckai Mar 14th 2011 9:51PM
Spent 3K on ore yesterday. Have made 7K profit on gems so far so the method works. I am hedging my bets though and holding on to my pyrite. I can always prospect it into gems and volatiles later if it isn't needed for epics.
Sky Mar 14th 2011 10:14PM
I am on the camp of hoarding Pyrite as well. Even if 4.2 drops and pyrite does not prospect into epic gems, I can still prospect them at a time when demand for gems is at its highest (new raid tier, epics being bought with justice points) and make a lot more money than I can make now.
If I was a betting man though, I'd bet on pyrite prospecting into epic gems simply because it makes the most sense. I don't think they're gonna add another tier of ore (wrath only had 3 tiers). And where can we get our gems aside from mining (giving raw metas to the alchemist is a big mistake, just look at the price of meta gems).
unfixed Mar 14th 2011 10:48PM
If epic stones are in pyrite then you win (gratz), if epic stones are not in pyrite you loose very badly (./cry)
The risk is that the pyrite is worth X now, in part because blue gems are the best you can get.
If pyrite does not yield epic stones then the blue stones it does yield will be completely worthless - 3.75g vendor. There is no way i am putting blue gems into my new tier raiding gear or my old tier raiding gear.
This is a hell of a lot less per blue stone and makes for a serious loss on the pyrite.
So that is the risk you are taking.
Saeadame Mar 14th 2011 11:28PM
@unfixed - Um... actually, he wins either way. If Pyrite starts to prospect into epic gems, yay, he has a horde of them. If Pyrite never prospects into epic gems, blue gems will ALWAYS be the best you can get, and so their price will be relatively unchanging, because they will always be in demand. Frankly, Pyrite not prospecting into epic gems makes blue gems the exact OPPOSITE of worthless - they'll be what you will gem your gear with, because there's nothing better.
Saeadame Mar 14th 2011 11:45PM
Oooh I guess unless Blizz adds a fourth kind of ore and makes that prospect into epic gems. Okay, I see what you're saying now.
Sky Mar 15th 2011 1:01AM
Well it's too late now. Blue quality gems(except for inferno rubies) are selling for 25g (sometimes even 10!) or less in my server so there is really no upside to prospecting the pyrite and selling them now. I really don't think that Blizzard will add a 4th tier of ores. That being said, I think epic gems will come from Pyrite or from alchemy transmutes (sadsacco). So I think given the circumstances and the possibilities, hanging on to your Pyrite is the best option.