Officers' Quarters: A RIFT in leadership

Ah, RIFT -- if you keep up with MMO news outside this blog (or even if you don't), you've likely heard of this new title from Trion Worlds that has recently launched with much fanfare and success. Whenever a new triple-A MMO title releases, a portion of WoW subscribers are always curious enough about the new game to give it a try. Some decide that WoW is better and return. Some fall in love with the new game and never come back.
For guild leaders, the issue of other games is particularly tricky. This week, one leader asks for advice on making a graceful exit from his guild so he can try his luck in Telara.
Scott,
I'm in my second stint as guild leader for what was a huge 40 man raiding guild in Vanilla and is now a small friends and family 10 man guild. [. . .]Wrath was great for us with the accessibility of the content and we all had fun doing most of the 10 man content available. That lasted until this summer when many of us got busy with kids, gardens, vacations, etc and we ended up taking a de facto break while waiting for Cata.
With the release of Cata, most players returned to the game and we set out on getting into the new content and trying to fill the gaps that had been left by players who didn't return or moved to other guilds. However, with a raiding model more similar to TBC or Vanilla and the seemingly larger time commitments to get into what is, frankly, not-very-interesting content, things have kind of stalled before even beginning raiding; it's gotten to the point where about half the active membership (myself included) just isn't interested in playing WoW anymore.
Anonymous, it's never easy to leave a guild behind -- believe me. You will have a sleepless night or two over it. You can console yourself, however, with the thought that a guild with a disinterested leader isn't exactly poised for success. For that reason, it's probably for the best for both yourself and the remaining guild members that you step down if you really want to move on.Unfortunately, one of the other officers (a good friend I've played with since Vanilla) recently invited half a dozen of his RL friends to transfer to our server and join the guild with the idea of filling out the group for 10 mans. While he had the best of intentions, his friends are not a good fit for our online group and that, combined with the collective disinterest in WoW we've been feeling, has led to all of the other officers and myself choosing other games to play together.
For the past month the five of us have been entertaining ourselves with Minecraft, Magicka and Starcraft II but kind of decided on a whim to try RIFT this weekend and we love it! Two of the other officers (a couple) have already cancelled their WoW accounts and have no intention of returning and a third doesn't care what game we play so long as we play it together. My wife and I are pretty much at the point where we want to make the switch to RIFT as well but I'm uncertain what my responsibility is to the WoW guild as I go on hiatus, possibly forever.
The obvious solution would be to promote the only remaining officer to guild leader and wish he and his friends the best of luck as we go our separate ways. The problem with that is that we'd like to continue playing with him and a few of the other guildies as we build a new guild in RIFT -- but without his friends. I'm also apprehensive that the novelty of RIFT might wear off quickly and that I'll want to return to WoW only to see that the guild I've put so much time into fell apart while in someone else's hands. I don't have time or money to keep my hands in both pots and it would be clearly disingenuous to the WoW guild so it's time to make a choice. What's the best the way to make my exit without destroying the guild for those who choose to stay in WoW while still keeping the core group together as we move to a new game?
Thanks,
Anonymous
The recommended approach
For now, you should keep your intentions to quit private among the officers. Call for an officers' meeting and discuss the situation. Then ask your lone remaining officer what he intends to do now that he knows your plan.
Unfortunately, all of this is coming at a bad time for him. His friends all just paid for transfers on the promise of raiding under you. He's probably going to be upset at first, and you need to allow him that. If necessary, end the discussion and continue it later after he's had a chance to calm down.
If he'd like to stay and take over leadership, I think you owe him that opportunity. Starting a new guild isn't as consequence-free as it used to be. There are now levels, achievements, and reputation to consider. Yes, your officer may run the guild into the ground. He and his friends may completely change the attitude of the organization and the policies you've refined. You'll have to accept that.
In this scenario, you must not make any demands of him. Offer your advice, but don't force it on him. You'll have to let go of your former role, and let him choose his own path for the guild. If you decide that RIFT is not for you, you'll have to live with the consequences of your departure when you return. Honestly, it's expecting far too much to make such a major decision and then resume exactly where you left off if you find that you regret it.
On the other hand, if he doesn't want to take over, then you will be free to put the guild on hiatus. His friends won't like that one bit, I'm sure, but these things happen and they'll get over it eventually. It's a cold thing to consider, but that's probably the best-case scenario for you, since you and the core group could pick up where you left off if you decide to return to WoW. The rest of the guild may be gone, but you could rebuild. Also, the friends will be much less likely to join your RIFT guild when you've left them hanging so blatantly in WoW.
The transition
In either scenario, if he and his friends do want to join you in RIFT, keep in mind that there's always a bit of culture shock when a group of players with a similar mindset all join a new guild together. I'm sure, given time, you can overcome the differences.
If you'd really like to distance yourself from these imported players, then you'll have to talk to your officer about them. I really wouldn't recommend it at this point, however. He's going to be angry enough about the situation already without layering that on top of it. Otherwise, you risk alienating your officer completely. Just set up clear policies for expected behavior and discouraged behavior for your new RIFT guild. Then you can deal with individual situations as they arise.
Once all the decisions have been made about what to do with the WoW guild, then communicate them to the guild members. Explain why you've made these choices and offer whatever support you can provide without an account. Do this a week or two before you formally quit the game to help with the leadership transition or preparations for a prolonged hiatus. Be aware that if you do make the guild inactive, you'll have to gkick anyone you don't completely trust, since a member can petition a GM to reassign guild control if the guild leader hasn't logged in for a month.
As a courtesy, you could offer to invite any member of your WoW guild into your RIFT guild if they're willing to give it a try. It's not required, of course, but it may make everyone feel a bit better about the situation -- including you.
No matter what happens, this decision could mean the end of your WoW guild. Unless you choose to keep your leadership role in WoW and play both games, there's simply no way to guarantee that the WoW guild will survive. The question is whether or not you can live with that.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 6 of 6)
Irish Mar 14th 2011 4:04PM
I think like someone said we just become jaded, but maybe it was the returning to the OLD WORLD that killed wow for me, it sounded good but at the end of the day it wasn't no where near as epic feeling as Northrend, WoW has falling into a endless chain of rinse and repeat with nothing real FRESH or NEW. Once you get the latest tier you kinda just feel like you are suckered in, knowing your just waiting for the next patch to get the new toys and you can only do the same things for so long before it eventually wears on you. I think Trion made a good move to not and try and reinvent the wheel totally just so us jaded players can pick up their game and play, but if they fall into the same rinse and repeat patch cycle as blizz then that too will grow old and us Wowheads will see through it. Right now Rift feels Fresh and New, the class system and graphics are a real upgrade from wow, and it made it easy to put down wow and still stay in the genre... Lets just hope Rift doesn't pride itself on just tiered gear much like wow...Any hoot more Rift content on wow insder would be nice.....
Pugnus Mar 14th 2011 4:32PM
Damn, the timing on this one couldn't be better. My guild is going through the same thing. A raid leader and PvP leader left a week ago and now two more officers ... all to Rift BTW. (and for those who haven't tried it, it's pretty good and to claim it's a 100% rip-off is a disservice).
Anyway, after talking to some of the other officers, we made the decision to open a "sister" guild on Rift. We all enjoyed each other's company, it was just WoW that got stale. Of course this could backfire and leave us with 2 dead guilds, but we're trying to do something.
Oldguy Mar 14th 2011 4:37PM
I'm more concerned about whether I'm having fun for my hundreds of dollars in subscription fees than I am about being loyal to people I've never met. I really like my guildmates but can't imagine spending more hundreds of dollars and more hundreds of hours on WoW when I'd rather be doing something else, out of some sense of obligation.
I was getting burned out on WoW long before Rift came along. I didn't make a lifetime commitment to it, and 4 years of it has been about enough. Rift is fun, and I'm not making a lifetime commitment to it, either. As someone posted, I'm enjoying it for now, and it if crashes and burns, I got my money's worth in the meantime.
Some of these posts sound like doomsday prophecies, "You'd better stay in WoW in case Rift blows up". For someone who is tired of WoW, like the original poster, and having fun with Rift, like the original poster, why would they want to go back to something they're tired of? Is it not obvious that they would want to do something else in the evening they find fun? Another new game? A non-game hobby? Sex with their wife?
Djinn Mar 15th 2011 1:33PM
I really love your last suggestion I guess I better grind a little more rep with the Girlfriend Faction and get it to Exalted so I can start working on Wife Rep...
hp1 Mar 14th 2011 5:47PM
"...keep in mind that there's always a bit of culture shock when a group of players with a similar mindset all join a new guild together. I'm sure, given time, you can overcome the differences."
I really disagree with this. Mostly because the writer's account is almost exactly what happened with my guild. A few of us pulled in some real life friends to build our Cata raid team and it was a huge disaster.
A small guild of wow-friends is often comprised of extremely different types of people who've nevertheless come to working arrangement. Some people are amiable slackers who are lackluster in raids but fun to have around, some people are immature, some people are dictating elitists, there are age differences, personality differences, assumptions about what's appropriate in guild chat, etc., etc. Pull in too many people suddenly of any one sort and the entire guild can become irrevocably unbalanced. Especially in a small guild.
Djinn Mar 15th 2011 12:50PM
The only WoW killer will be WoW itself.
WoW is so wildly successful that anyone seeking to dethrone it is just dumb.. the only person that could possibly do this is Chuck Norris anyways.
But about RIFT. It is indeed rift that is getting the gaming time I have to offer an MMO these days.
Cataclysm just lost me. The on rails linear leveling experience, the overtuned 5 mans, the destruction of everything I loved about my class being the DK.. Not to mention being banned from the official wow forums for being vocal about my disapproval of what they have done to the DK and Id say with the wow franchise Blizzard has seen my last dollar. Now ill def be buying Diablo 3 but WoW is a thing of the past. Blizzard really failed with Cataclysm.. Wrath left big shoes to fill and Cataclysm just came up WAY too short..
Trisnics Mar 14th 2011 7:34PM
I have a lot of respect for the person being discussed in this article. Even though he is clearly tired of WoW he cares enough about his guild to take care of it and let people know what's going on. If he's not happy with WoW, which he certainly doesn't seem to be, then he should move on. One thing is that I don't think he should endlessly encourage those who haven't decided to move to move over with him, it gets pretty annoying to hear over and over again "Join Rift it is so good" from in a WoW guilds chat. I've had a few do that in my guild and people just got annoyed with it and the majority are still here.
IMO when you're running an active or semi-active guild it is your responsibility to take care of it even it means to hand over the reigns when you need or want to leave.
I know of a few guilds on my server where the GMs have just disappeared on their guild since Rift launched. That is not the right way to do it and is obviously pretty upsetting to the members. This kind of thing is already discussed in other comments here.
I play WoW and still enjoy it and raiding. I like the challenge changes that came with Cataclysm. I know that some people don't and they should play what they find fun.
I purchased Rift as well and my husband and I are playing it together. The graphics are excellent but I'm not really finding it to be as fun as many of the people on here say it is.
I find that rifts just interrupt questing and if you decide to join the public party you are stuck with a big group of strangers who don't know each other and don't care to (which is far less fun IMO than raiding with a group of 25 people that you know and enjoying each others company on vent the entire time). I don't consider grouping with what is basically a bunch of NPCs (strangers) to complete some mindless objective that is going to occur again soon afterward to be fun.
Professions are a boring grind, even more so than WoW. Grey mobs aggro you and knock you of your mount, even when you are 30 levels higher than them. Most of the game is just same old, same old MMO stuff. Overall the whole thing just feels soulless to me and I will probably play for a few months until the newness wears off. I'm really trying to give it a chance but I really haven't been excited at all by it and I don't get where this excitement from some people is coming from. I've played WoW since release and haven't gotten tired of it for extended periods and I am still enjoying the new stuff in Cataclysm.
Jayjay Mar 14th 2011 9:26PM
I have loved WoW since vanilla days, I have enjoyed all the expansions, including Cata.
What I haven't enjoyed is the long long heroic 5 man runs - reminds me of the long long runs in BRD back in the day (they werent fun, my rose tinted glasses have lost their rose-tint by now) that people avoided like the plague or quit halfway through (it was a long time before I saw the end boss in that place, saw the others a bunch of times though lol).
Ive been raiding since..well since raiding started I suppose. 40 mans, 25 mans, 10 mans (10s in Wrath obviously); I loved to raid and did so on several alts.
But now with Cata, and the amazing amount of drama that hit my guild recently causing the 'clique' that was doing 10 mans to up and leave (and they were part of our 25 man group too) I found myself less and less eager to log in and play.
I turn up for raids (although right now these are sad affairs for a guild that was working on Nef 25 can't get past Atramedes 10) - I made a commitment after all - but the rest of the week I go play Rift.
Sure, its not 'totally new' but it feels new ENOUGH and I feel more relaxed playing it. I like the Rifts and invasions, they are the 'hook' of the game after all; having to stop questing and go deal with them is quite invigorating imo.
I will never hate WoW and I'm not sure that I see myself leaving WoW entirely for Rift either but its a nice downtime sink right now.
appljaxe Mar 15th 2011 2:13AM
what killed wow is a flying mount available in azeroth. you just skip and fly away without really enjoying the zone. in RIFT the npc mobs are really closer to any paths. you can't run without getting hit., your interaction to the game is a must.. Like I said bebore WoW got RIFT'ed off.
shockologist Mar 15th 2011 6:04PM
It's really simple make some one you trust temp GM as you take some time off. I switched to Rift and let my friend take over the guild with a 60 day deal to re assume leadership tho on my 2nd endgame toon there i dont see a return to azeroth for me until post 4.1 I have an MMO budget of $45 a month which traditionally been Wow, Flavor of the month and $15 for cash shops in F2P. My point here is make sure you leave someone in charge,,,I was in a guild once where gm split from hubby and didn;t log on till day 30 of our change GM petition and it was a nightmare.
jaded Mar 21st 2011 6:18PM
same position as the poster, well almost, I stepped down as GM a while back as I was bored of wow.
Went to beta rift and found I just could not play wow anymore, sure its not so different on teh face of it, but it just feels sooo much better. Public groups, rifts and invasions to break up the quest grind.
Its also more accessible. the whole 'elite' cata thing was BS. Cata was not hard, it was just annoying with lenght of instance, but lacking the epicness of previous content. Make a heroic 5man BRD and I'm there, I dont care if it takes 10 hours. But nothing in cata captures my imagination. Flying was a mistake, it killed the game world entirely, the whole time travel cata-TBC-WOTLK-CATA is screwed up.
Wow was great, i enjoyed it immensely, but its had its day. time to move on. For now thats Rift for me, and one day I'll move on from that. games come and go, and right now wow is like bad film sequal trying to keep the franchise alive.
Its like the Matrix or Pirates of the Carribean, first film rocked, but the rest were pants. thats wow now, a poor copy of its once great self. Time to let it die, keep the memories, otherwise its just going to be a laughing stock.