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3-14-2011 @ 9:56AM
Great... more Rift marketing on WoWInsider...
3-14-2011 @ 10:13AM
To be fair, every Tuesday there is an MMO round-up they post from their sister site Massively. They have talked about lots of other MMOs over the years, this isn't a new phenomenon. Lots of players apparently play more than one MMO, I'm not one of those as I don't have the time and/or money to invest in more than one at the moment. If you don't like seeing RIFT mentioned in articles, maybe don't click an article with RIFT in the title?What is more interesting to me is how the official battle.net slash WoW website has links all over the place to Wowhead, and yet if you go to Wowhead, its nothing but a giant RIFT advertisement. Just strikes me as overly cocky on Blizzard's part. Doesn't seem like a good business model to link to a website that is making their advertising revenue from your newest/biggest current competition.
3-14-2011 @ 11:00AM
Its not surprising posters are commenting about Rift, a new MMO that's greatly influenced the OP's decisions in the first place.Rift is coming in a time where lots of people are bored with Cata. Honestly, that's how I feel about WoW, and I miss the casual friendly days of Wrath. Anyone with 10 people/pugs can make a guild, get geared fast with either gold or few heroics, and jump into a raid. Got a new 80 that want's to main/off tank? No problem! Carry his noob butt through Nax and he goes from Zero to Hero in 2 hours. Now you got so much commitment. Guilds have unlockables to consider, you can't aoe plow through heroics, tanking and healing isnt near as user-friendly, rep grinds before you can even enter the heroic, and 40 minute queues. There's less people that know about how to work a raid, and with guild commitments, there's very little incentive to just pick up and raid. (This is mute if you do have an active raiding guild) I too fell into the routine of Log on, do dailies while waiting for a heroic, and bg til I get my CC points.Sorry about the rant, I just empathize with the guild leader. The wrath guild I was in had very active members and we raided casually all left when the cata patch hit, and most have no interest in returning. The GM left and the guild died. I then joined a very large guild that raided 25 mans regularly. The GM there decided to start the guild over on another server. Their new guild is doing very well, but they left the old guild with alts for GMs, and that too died. Of the 5 large guilds my alts are in, none have active GMs or Officers, and they are pretty much ghost towns.Guilds now have to have dedicated leaders and members with a definite sense of direction in order to progressively work. Gone are the days when you can log on and say "Im bored. I feel like raiding TOC. Lets see who's running what in Trade!"
3-14-2011 @ 11:06AM
"Just strikes me as overly cocky on Blizzard's part. Doesn't seem like a good business model to link to a website that is making their advertising revenue from your newest/biggest current competition."It's not "overly cocky" if you're right. Rift could gain eight times its current membership and still not have more than World of Warcraft. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MMORPGs) It may get there eventually, I have no idea and no one else does either, but if Blizzard acts like WoW is an 800-pound-gorilla that can sit anywhere it wants (or in this case, link to anything), that may look cocky, but in Bliz's defense, it's true.Besides, good publishing strategy regarding advertising is more complicated than that. Ad sellers sell to whoever the highest bidder for their usual audience is, barring really offensive things. For fan sites and magazines, I'm sure that very often includes other companies trying to "poach" the audience. But if WoW is an 800-lb-gorilla of a game, then wowhead is an 800-lb-gorilla of a fan site. It seems to have decent information about everything in the game, as far as I can tell, and great information about items and factions, all with quick loading times and unobtrusive advertising, at least relative to most such sites. (Sounds like fan-site-fanboyism, I guess...) If Blizzard wants to link to any outside resources at all, they can't justify NOT linking to wowhead.com, I don't think. They certainly can't delink anything that ever runs ads for competition. It would be unnecessary because most of their competition isn't going anywhere even with links, and would cause more ill will than any benefit it gains.
3-14-2011 @ 11:09AM
@ StardustedTo be fair, its near impossible to find ANY third party WoW site that isn't plastered with RIFT Ads.I wouldn't call it cocky, I'd call it "why should we stop linking to WoWhead, a near-perfect WoW database just because of who advertises on their site?"
3-14-2011 @ 11:38AM
@Stardusted. The only reason Rift is doing good ATM is because of the marketing, the game is one of the wort MMO's I've ever played, but because they pay the Joystiq and other sites to hype it up and say good things about it they are getting weak minded people to play it and think it's worth playing.I actually stopped looking at MMO Champ forums because they were flooded with new accounts making tons of posts about how great Rift is compared to WoW, it's Rifts marketing team and it's annoying.I'm just glad Kotaku doesn't sell out as easily as Joystiq and make posts to hype up a game, it's sites like Joystiq who hold back gaming journalism.
3-14-2011 @ 11:54AM
@ Joker above.I am glad I am not the only one noticing the viral marketing of this thing on easy to manipulate forum sites.The first week of Rift it sold ... 120K boxes and still you see these marketers telling the "huge" succes story and say it's a lie. YOu know ... now even the official sold boxes are a lie according to these guys ...Everyone can see how they work.It is time WOW players will react to it all. And those are more than a few thousand out there. A few million reactions will suffice.It is time the silent PLAYING majority makes a stand on this Wow hating campaign.
3-14-2011 @ 1:13PM
What if I like Rift over WoW right now, but prefer WOW Insider to any other social gaming site?I don't think that talking about Rift or any other MMO will cause WoW to lose players. People know about it - assuming you are in a free place, the information is out there. I'd rather have an open discussion about things like this, as opposed to hiding how I'm thinking, and I'm glad there are others out there who enjoy wow insider and also feel free to discuss things like this.
3-14-2011 @ 3:55PM
I call it cocky for one simple reason: Just because something isn't likely, doesn't mean it is impossible. In this case, at this time, it isn't likely that RIFT will de-throne WoW, but it isn't impossible either. Taking things for granted simply because they are unlikely is not a smart idea. I could point to several real-world examples, some of which are happening right now and cost people or could cost people their lives. While I realize that WoW isn't a life or death matter, it is still a business matter, and ignoring possibilities regardless of their unlikeliness isn't a good business strategy.
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