Drama Mamas: Is WoW cool? Should you care?
Drama Mama Lisa got a letter from a fan, and we've stolen it for this week's drama.
Hi Lisa
My name is Joe. I'm a 15 year old student from the UK. I've been a reading of your blog for a long time now and have been enjoying it for just as long. I'm writing to you today with a WoW related issue that I need advice on and I've come to you as not only do I want a experienced professional but also long-period, friendly WoW gamer.
I played World of Warcraft for around 2 years, then I quit but got back into it. Last December I quit my subscription again and haven't played since. I have only recently began reading Wowinsider again and have been engrossed with the posts for 2 weeks. Now, I'm also watching cinematic videos, gameplay videos and anything recently on Wowinsider. This has confused me about whether or not to re-join the World of Warcraft community. I really need some advice.
The reason I quit WoW in early December was because I felt bored with the game after playing for such a long-haul. Even with the new Cataclysm environments, I felt like I was paying to much money for something that I didn't get enough enjoyment out of. Also, I felt like I wasn't fitting in with a certain crowd, I almost felt like World of Warcrafts 'general' stereotype was becoming heavy on me. Another reason so because I planned on getting an Xbox 360 for Christmas, not only because it is my favourite gaming system, but because I feel like it is more socially acceptable. Why? I have no idea. I hate the fact that people see World of Warcraft as a 'geeks' game however in contrast to lets say Call of Duty: Black Ops or Halo Reach, which people spend massive amounts of time on, its 'cooler'. I don't agree with this at all however I think this is one of the reasons that at the time main me choose to quit.
Another reason for me leaving was the amount of money spent on it. In contrast to Xbox Live £40 for 12 months subscription, World of Warcraft costs £95.54 for 12 months. I don't know whether this is reasonable for the experience or not...
I see World of Warcraft as nothing but a superb game with an incredible system and outstanding content. I pretty much love it. It is one of the few games I've been able to lose myself in for hours at a time. I'm not against this game but more against the ideas people have about it. So at the minute, I'm on the fence about what to do. Should I continue with my Xbox Live account or choose to purchase all of the WoW content? I just don't know...
Has this ever happened to you? Have you ever felt in all your years of playing that for what you are paying, it dampens your experience as a gamer or do you believe that it is absolutely reasonable? What are your views on what people say, what they think about the game and quitting then re-joining in general?
This may seem like a small matter but I would be extremely grateful for your advice because its beginning to get me down. Thanks.
- What can you afford? For some players, the cost difference between WoW and the Xbox system is the ultimate deciding factor. For you, it sounds as if cost is merely one consideration. I've found that the cost of playing MMOs generally pales against what you'd pay for a similar amount of time spent in other pursuits. Also in my experience, the overall time spent with other game systems doesn't generally compare to the amount of time spent playing MMOs, thus balancing out the slightly higher cost for the MMO subscription. Still, if the cost of a WoW subscription ultimately isn't a problem for you, perhaps you shouldn't weigh this very heavily in your decision-making process.
- What are your real-life friends doing? If all your real-life friends are having a blast in game worlds you can't join, you're going to feel lonely, no matter how good a time you're having in your own game world.
- What are your in-game friends doing? If you belong to a guild or group that's working through content you enjoy, you might have more fun hooking up with them rather than forging your own way in another game.
- What game fits your schedule better? Raid schedules, blocks of time, frequency of play times ... All of these can affect how you play and how much you enjoy it. Can you commit to playing WoW or the Xbox games you want to play at the level you want to play them?
- Are you open to playing casually? It's never been easier to step in and out of Azeroth at will. WoW no longer has to be a long-term commitment. If it's just a taste you want, run up a new character to check out the new content while the rest of the playerbase is getting more endgame gear and strategies under their belts. Once you're kitted out at level 85, join the crowds of players who PUG heroics and early raids for a month or two (not so many now but surely more by the time you've leveled a new character), then head back to other gaming pastures.
- What do you enjoy most? Don't beat around the bush -- this is really the most important question to ask yourself. All other things being equal, you're going to suffer from Grass is Always Greener Syndrome if you choose to play the least personally appealing option.
At this point, many folks would cry, "To heck with what they think! Follow your heart!" I think that's sound advice, too -- but I also think that if other people's opinions about MMOs makes a difference in how they treat you, then your personal comfort factor is certainly worthy of careful consideration. Does the fact that certain people in your life think less of WoW actually affect your relationships with them? You're young, and there are people in your life (parents, teachers, family members) that you simply can't tell to shove off. If these people are seriously messing with your mojo over your game choice and the choice really isn't that big of an issue to you in the end, I'd say that certainly merits a bit more consideration than the basic "To heck with what they think! Follow your heart!"
But a final warning: Be certain that all those negative perceptions from others are as concrete as you think they are. It could be that you're projecting your own half-formed fears onto people who really don't give a whit what you play or do. Once you figure out if what these people are thinking about you and how much (if any) it's actually affecting you, it should be much easier to figure out whether their perceptions should be a factor worth including in your decision about what game to play. Either way, the most important factor remains what you think is most fun.
Unless you have some independent income that is not normal for your age, I think that the best people to talk to about the cost aspect is your parents. If they are the ones paying for it, they should be given the big picture and help you decide. And if they say "play both!" ... well then. Just make sure your schoolwork doesn't suffer. /maternal finger wag
Now, who are these people who say WoW is uncool? People in general? Cool people at school who are your friends? Cool people at school who aren't your friends? And the more important question: Have they played? Now is the time to hone your anti-uninformed-opinion skills. You will need them forevermore. If these badmouthers haven't played the game, then they don't know and therefore shouldn't be listened to. And that pretty much applies to anything creative like movies, music, song, TV, etc. "It looks stupid" and "Cool people watch this, not that" are not good reasons for you to shun something. If you determine that you like something that is not doing you nor anyone else any harm, then please don't listen to the badmouthers.
Also, I know it seems a long way away, but you're going to look back on this time and have certain regrets. If you're anything like me, your regrets are going to be about things you did because of other people's opinions rather than your own. I know it can be hard dealing with the constant abuse of funsuckers, but the friendships you forge when you find people who enjoy the same things you do are worth it. And the only way you'll find those people is by enjoying the things you enjoy.
So yes, I am definitely one of those folks crying, "To heck with what they think! Follow your heart!" And I think that a few years from now you will wish you could go back in time and tell your current self the same thing.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Mortenebra Mar 18th 2011 11:57AM
Then you'd like this quest item from the Malaka'jin quest hub:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=56794
(Yeah, you gotta be Horde to talk to the NPC and get the quest. But if you ever wanted to roll a Hordie just to see what it's like, that's a GREAT excuse to do it!)
Neyssa Mar 18th 2011 10:02AM
I just made a comment yesterday on the 15-minutes-of-fame article, that really relates here. Ages ago when I was 15, my mother's co-workers introduced me to Counter Strike and we spent most of the Friday afternoons making after-work LAN party in the office. My friends all thought it to be such a geek thing to do (especially because I am a girl), but actually, looking back from 10 years point of view, I remember those afternoons with more love than some drinking parties with my classmates. Also, if you find the right crowd of people (who are not always your class mates even though you are pretty stuck with them), you will feel that they accept who you are (it does not mean they agree with it, but accept it).
Based on your writing style you seem pretty grown-up who can really consider a decision. I just wanted to tell you that I did not regret going against my current friends and classmates, and it gave me a chance to broaden my friendlist.
Piesmarts Mar 18th 2011 10:21AM
I am past the point of caring what other people think. None of my girl friends play, but they don't play any games except for Just Dance lawl. I don't even hide it from them. It's a hobby of mine but I have others too.
I'm 25 however, so I can understand why a 15-year old would feel differently. I hate to use a cliche but life is too short! You have to do what you think is fun! And it sounds like you genuinely enjoy playing WoW.
P.S. I used to make fun of my friends who played it in college but it's because all knew of it was the stereotype. I was ignorant yo.
Naryn Mar 18th 2011 10:22AM
For me I just simply don't mention it, if I'm with people I know who are into games I'll talk about it, if not just don't mention it, it's not a dirty secret if people ask I'll say I do.
Console gaming is significantly more expensive due to games costing more and you generally buy more than you do, especially if you focus on an MMO like WoW. So don't let cost be an issue, for me I know relatively little people who play WoW, it doesn't bother me but I still play, I just don't talk about it as much out of game, if you've already got a 360 then try playing both so you can still play with friends
lady.silverdragon Mar 18th 2011 10:56AM
The best part of becoming an adult is being able to not care what others think about you.
Wolftech Mar 18th 2011 10:55AM
If he is worried about the cool factor, he could always point out the number of celebs that play or have played WoW. Playing the same online game as Vin Diesel, Mila Kunis, Cameron Diaz, Kate Beckinsale, Adrianne Curry, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Dave Chappelle, Curt Schilling, Robin Williams, Jonathan Davis (lead singer of Korn), Matt Stone & Trey Parker (creators of South Park) is like belonging to the same club. Anytime Joe's 'friends' say something about how uncool WoW is compared to CoD (which I find only whinging prats play, to use the UK vernacular) or Halo, he can point out this list.
rlspaulding Mar 18th 2011 10:56AM
Being a female WoW AND XBL player (Used to be sponsored for MLG in H2 days.... now I play Black Ops and somewhat Reach), I can definitely understand some of the pressure this person and so many others feel.
XBL and FPS's will undoubtedly allure the more casual gamers. Someone already stated SO very well how it does provide instant gratification, and appeals to a stereotypically "cooler" crowd----the athletes/jock-types who don't even have the time to devote to WoW.....but you know what? Secretly a lot of them wish they did. (I know, I was captain of many Varsity teams for a long time and many secretly dreamed of playing hahaha).
Console gamers can get further involved and practice 6 hours a day (as I did when in MLG, you had to train each gametype w/ your teammates so you knew what to do in every situation....think Arenas!) But it's just not the same as immersing yourself in an entirely different world...of warcraft. ^.~
I think of WoW kind of like reading a phenomenal book --- how it just takes you out of the real world...let's you forget about homework....or bills.... or any amount of social problems. This is a huge benefit.... quick example:
I have been with my boyfriend for five years now and for 3 of those years we were long distance. We encountered some very trying times in our personal lives....deaths...depression...and WoW was basically the ideal way for us to just go somewhere and just chill together...(via silently questing alongside one another or wandering around azeroth). When one of us was too depressed to even speak for a long time, WoW was the tool we used to just get away from it all. That said..... in spite of the vast amount of time spent on the game, friends still viewed us as 'cool.' Because it's not about what games you play, what music you listen to, or what movies you watch. It's about how you act; your personality. Your character. People viewed me as popular and pretty and never believe me when they say I play WoW...so I use that as a way to convince them WoW is pretty cool. Because if you rae confident about it, you can basically tell anyone to shove it and be happy just being you and doing things you like.
Had a guy I dated for about a month whom i had to literally hide playing from for a while....we ended it because I couldn't take it anymore. He'd want to come over to watch the game or Family Guy and I wasn't allowed to multi task and get my dailies done during it.....grrrr. Some people just don't understand, and that's ok. Let the haters hate as we all have said.... and remember, everyone has their own thing goin on.
Film aficionados, various types of artists, pokemon card players, everyone has some kind of hobby that they are immersed in and they just own it -- it is their thing -- so be confident, and I'm sure before long you'll be having all your XBL buddies join you on WoW too! It happened to me :)
Aaron Mar 18th 2011 11:03AM
Anyone that thinks COD players are cool hasn't spent much time grinding exp on multiplayer. I can think of many adjectives, but cool isn't one of them. LOL
I play WoW for many reasons and to be cool isn't on my list. :D
I do *think* I spend less by only playing WoW and not buying console games every few weeks. Last Xbox game I bought was Red Dead Redemption and I don't ever remember how long ago that would have been (awesome game though!).
rlspaulding Mar 19th 2011 2:06AM
Wow; I NEVER thought I could agree on so much with another person...especially in a forum!! Haha. Your comment "Anyone that thinks COD players are cool hasn't spent much time grinding exp on multiplayer. I can think of many adjectives, but cool isn't one of them. " is SO frikkin true!! So is not playin WoW to be 'cool' haha half the time I don't tell people I play. :S :] And I also can't remember the last time I bought a game... didn't get Red Dead Red.; Bioshock 2 came as a gift and it blew... compared to the 1st one. Anywho yeah thumbs up I agree with every thing you said, haha! ^.^
Adoisin Mar 18th 2011 11:08AM
The way I see it, the price of WoW for a month is about the same as I would pay to go see a movie. I enjoy WoW and get a lot more time for my money.
I can understand that peer pressure is rough when you are 15. On the other hand, you are old enough to figure things out for yourself. Your letter is well written, and you express yourself well, so I am going to go on the assumption that you have a decent brain in there. Use it. Don't let other people make up your mind for you.
If you have friends who think WoW is not cool, and ridicule you for playing it, you have three options. The first option is to ask yourself why these people are your friends, if they are going to make fun of you and try to make you feel bad about something you enjoy, instead of being happy that you have a fun, harmless pastime. The second option is to continue to play, but just keep your mouth shut and your head down and hope to fit in. The third option is to quit doing what you enjoy and completely cave in to peer pressure, becoming one of the mindless throng of followers.
Real friends don't try to make you feel bad about your choices.
DarkWalker Mar 18th 2011 12:01PM
WoW is getting to be on the expensive side, though. Plenty of MMOs out there are from time to time offering packages that are effectively $10 per month (usually as $30 for 3 months or $60 for 6 months). There are also F2P (and Hybrid) models to consider.
The basic cost of the game is also an issue, specially for new players. Last time I looked, unless the pretense player caught a sale, the full WoW with the expansions needed to reach lv 85 costs $120, with only one month of "free" subscription included (40 days if the player picks a trial and upgrades to a full game); it's specially expensive if you think that, although Outlands and Nortrend content is still out there, new players will probably not enjoy it due to the difficulty of finding players at the appropriate level (coming back after outleveling the content might be interesting, but most of the fun is absent due to the resulting ease of the content). Most other P2P MMO games are much cheaper to get the full package, even the ones with expansions
And, although the level of polish in WoW is about unmatched, polish is not the only factor in deciding the best game to play (and, thus, the one that could charge more from a given player). For example, in my case MMOs that offers gear appearance customization, solo paths to earn end-game gear, more flexibility in adjusting characters to the challenge at hand (usually as more specs or respec anywhere options), more flexibility in the number of players for group content, group content that fits in 30-minutes gaming windows, less travel time, or less locks on content (locking gear acquisition instead of locking raids) get extra points when I'm deciding what to play (which is to say, WoW, specially after Cataclysm, would need to compensate with a really higher quality to be my game of choice, and the quality difference is not high enough to justify me keeping my WoW subscription active right now).
Grindlet Mar 21st 2011 2:23PM
"There is a minority of normal people who play WoW, but that doesn't change the fact that most people who do are antisocial and/or socially inept."
Antisocial people exist in WoW, but if anything they are the ones that are "that guy" on the server and/or never get into guilds and raids more than once. The majority do have social skills because if you don't you won't get anywhere in a MMO. And the term "normal" doesn't really apply to personalities altogether.
Tunahead Mar 18th 2011 11:23AM
"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C. S. Lewis
If you know someone who bases their public image and alleged opinions on other people's alleged opinions like their entire life was a marketing study of Things That People In My Focus Group Are Allowed To Enjoy, it may be entirely possible that this person is just completely fucking awful. You must abandon them to their inevitable destiny of whichever cause of death is statistically most likely for such a person, and go find nicer friends.
Brodi Mar 18th 2011 11:27AM
As fun as it can be, Call of Duty doesn't make you 'cool', either. There are a lot of people on that game who are horrendously immature, just like in WoW, and it earns them no popularity points with other players.
I'm gonna be one of the 'follow your heart' people. Do what makes you happy, and what others make think of you be damned. Fact is you won't see much of them after high school unless you want to.
And anyone who drops the 'video games aren't cool' spiel is just being ignorant. The vast majority of people these days through 30ish play games, and the age increases as the people who play them get older.
I guess I'm just biased and ranty today. My bad.
Robert Mar 18th 2011 11:33AM
My brother used to have the same issue. He was so ashamed of WoW that his girlfriend of two years didn't know he was spending 15+ hours a week playing it, or that sometimes he'd not schedule dates because of raid night. He maintained the charade for over a year before finally coming clean, and still felt embarrassed when he was caught playing. He DIDN'T feel embarrassed that he picked up Modern Warfare 2 at a midnight release and played online for 20+ hours straight, because excess of Xbox wasn't as uncool or nerdy as excess of WoW.
The general crowd here, as well as the answers provided by our lovely columnists are right, Do what you love, and don't do things for the approval of others, or else you will feel like you are missing out and eventually resent the people who's approval you're seeking.
Sorcha Mar 18th 2011 11:36AM
I have a feeling this might be a UK thing (my partner is Norwegian and he says gaming in general is considered much more normal there than it is here.) Gaming used to be uncool period and if you played games you were a massive geek. Over the last few years (well, in the 7 years since I left secondary school) it's gotten more socially acceptable to be a console gamer but MMOs still lag behind. I think it's the fantasy aspect; people see guns and Nazis as somehow cooler than wizards and magic.
Scooter Mar 18th 2011 12:02PM
This isn't a question about what game is more fun or less nerdy. It's about what's a more valuable way for him to spend his time.
World of Warcraft will never be more enjoyable than the time you spend with your friends. If quitting this game is what it takes then do it.
#1 rule of the MMO is your social life comes first.
magicjamie Mar 18th 2011 12:16PM
I'm a 13 year old student from the UK, and I can say that WoW is considered seriously nerdy. My friend spend at least as much time on Black Ops as I do on WoW but they still call me 'addicted' to it and have this ingrained image that all WoW players have no life. I've just taken to ignoring it and not mentioning WoW in real life.
Funnily enough, my parents understand the game better than my friends do. They don't disturb me when I'm raiding, whereas my friends will constantly call me on Skype til I go offline.
Sunaseni Mar 18th 2011 12:18PM
Quitting the game because you personally don't find much enjoyment in it anymore is perfectly reasonable. Once you become burned out, take a break so you don't kill off enjoyment of the game permanently. Some day down the road, you might get the inkling to play again, and you'll start appreciating it more. You can't play any game for an extended period of time before getting tired of it.
Quitting the game because it's "uncool" is a different matter. Don't compromise who you are or what you enjoy for perceived notions of approval from others. If they are willing to judge you based on your hobbies, their tastes are fickle and fleeting; their approval isn't worth breaking your back to get.
GTPowers Mar 18th 2011 12:25PM
We're through with being cool
We're through with being cool
Eliminate the ninnys and the twits.