i couldn't agree more with this. i don't think there was any way to solve this type of a situation peacefully. if the run isn't working because one person isn't doing what they are suppose to be doing, it's up to the raid leader to figure out why, either by whispering the person to figure out what's up, or by paying attention to how the group is working together and finding out who's doing what.

"And I even convinced one of our officers to be the MT."

it sounded like the officer/mt was throwing a tantrum because they didn't want to be there anyway if they had to be convinced.

As a raid leader, it is my responsibility to ensure that each of my team members clearly understands the strategies employed in the current fight. It is my responsibility to lead my team in a constructive manner and help my teammates where and when I can. The Raid Leader of Vent's group failed spectacularly on these counts.

Should Vent have spoken up a bit more and asked for time to fix his problem? Sure. But it sounds like the RL was acting bullheaded and was frankly uninterested in "carrying" the new(er) guy.

Fault goes to the RL mostly, and some to Vent. Vent could have been a bit more vocal, but in the face of a rampaging bully, he may not have had the opportunity.

There is a difference between getting angry and frustrated with ineptitude and verbally abusing someone and even taking it into guild.

Yeah VT was dumb for not fixing vent right away. Yeah VT was arrogant for telling his RL he needs to minimize distractions. VT is an idiot. Yes.

But going to the length the RL did to knock him down a peg? WTF?

You have to be the bigger man if you're going to lead people. Be patient, be calm, be positive and if disciplining has to happen, take to it privately and point out issues and WORK IT OUT.

If my RL had gone friggin nuts like that on me whenever I had a bad night we'd never have raided again. Regular raiders can whine and complain after wipes, but the RL is your bedrock to shut them up, get them moving again, and take down that boss.

Way out of line.

Read the full story. VT wasn't a new guy, he appearently has been in the guild for over 2 years (with a few month hiatus appearently just before cata started). I get the feeling from this post that he was not well liked by the guild going into this, and there's probably a few other things he left out. Even if what he says is the 100% bonafide truth, this still isn't a bunch of elitist jerkwads refusing to carry a poor newbie. This is a bunch of elitist jerkwads not wanting to carry another elitist jerkwad who should have known better by now.