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3-25-2011 @ 4:59PM
I normally read this article on a frequent basis and I usually leave with a feeling of good advie. Unfortunately, Lisa's comments have left me a little perplexed.There is fault by both parties here, and that is apparent, but what seems to be missed is that Vent said multiple times that he couldn't hear. In a typicaly 10 man raid group, there are 9 people playing. Out of 9 people, not one person could note that they understood, or bothered to say "We don't want to type out the strategies to you"?As well, he isn't exactly a newcomer. I have been in a guild for quite sometime and people come and go for their hiatus, but upon re-subbing, we don't treat them as if they were someone who just joined. They may not get all the perks that they used to have, but they are treated and respected the same. As well, "bending" is a 2 way street. You are right in the fact that he should bend, but the guild also needs to have a sense of flexbility. What the officer did was wrong, plain and simple, and no amount of "you should have read" will fix that issue.Im my view Lisa, your advice sounded more inline with the angry officer than giving solid advice on how to help/prevent this issue in the future.
3-25-2011 @ 4:52PM
Perhaps Lisa didn't convey it properly, but I think she's calling BS on the story as told. I find it hard to believe that if Vent really did pipe up multiple times in raid chat that vent was malfunctioning, and that multiple wipes had occured (presumably as a result) that EVERYONE would have ignored multiple cries for help.The boss fight in question, Twin Dragons, also has a lengthy runback. It's not like there wasn't time to autofollow and alt+tab to try and fix vent, peek at a strat, or both. Also, why are you accepting readychecks? Maybe for a couple attempts you think you can "wing it," but clearly that wasn't working. You could even not run into the boss room as a way to get attention. /say for speech baloon chat. /yell even.As other commentors have pointed out, he's probably a combination of entitled guy and unprepared guy. While unpreparedness is occasionally tolerable in an impromptu run, entitled guy is still revilied. Either way the story stinks of lies.Lastly, what does the letter writer hope to accomplish? Assuming for a moment that they are not crying wolf, they should know to basically tell their side of the story to the Guild Leader, and perhaps look for a new home. So at best, if "vent" isn't lying, this letter is simply a "woe is me" cry for attention.
3-25-2011 @ 5:00PM
Well, we have to assume he is telling the truth because we do not have evidence to the contrary. The letters writers submit are based on the idea that they are full truths of their side of the story.His letter was submitted because he was looking for validation on his point of view as well as advice on what to do next. If you think this letter is a "woe is me", couldn't you say the same for any letter that is submitted for advice?As well, I agree that both sides have faults. I just think the advice given to rectify/solve this situation wasn't there. I feel that Lisa's response was more judgmental than it was "here is the way I see it and how I feel".
3-25-2011 @ 6:27PM
We don't have direct evidene maybe, but the attitude he conveyed in that last paragraph speaks volumes.'Shortly after my main joined, I got the guild raiding and progressing, and took them from a guild with under 5 OS 10 man kills and almost nothing else, to a guild with naxx 10 fully cleared, Ulduar progressed to Hodir and ToGC fully cleared in under 2 months, and when ICC came out, we jumped right in and got our first Deathbringer kill in mid January.''I' took them? Him and him alone? One night did he chainpull every boss in naxx 10 and with his awesome talent manage to beat them into oblivion? I'm sure his leadership was a huge asset, but no one person gets a from one boss down to clearing raids. "And under my leadership, we...' may have been believable. 'I took them from x to y?' Was that before or after you flew all around the world in one night and one shotted Goliath with a single rock?And how exactly did they only get to Hodir in Ulduar but clear ToGC? I guess that despite his leadership they never truly mastered the intricasies of killing trash.For someone who put on a 'poor me, they wont explain things' story, he talks very highly about himself and his skills as a raid leader, and by exension a raider. If he was half as skilled as he wants us to think he is, he'd have at least done some cursory reading on what to expect from the raid long before pulling trash.
3-25-2011 @ 7:13PM
@Toad"Perhaps Lisa didn't convey it properly, but I think she's calling BS on the story as told."If that's what she meant, then you are right. She didn't convey her message properly. If she doesn't buy into the story she could just say it. That'd be totally okay too. But as none of us were there we really don't have any proof to say VT wasn't telling the truth. "Beyond a reasonable doubt." Can hardly say that with the evidence given we've moved past that point.
3-26-2011 @ 8:11PM
@Randy: are you serious? You have to assume that every letter sent to Drama Mamas is offering a one-sided view of the situation intended to cast the writer in the best possible light.
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