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4-06-2011 @ 11:18AM
Sorry but let me get this straight (if this is incorrect please let me know)Slyvanas was furious for being brought back from the dead, and forced to do things against her will, then possessed and forced other beings to do exactly that, once the control over her waned?She then wanted to be avenged against the LK (understandable tbh). She then used and then murdered the last dreadlord.That correct?If so I can see why the humans didnt want to associate with her, and it has nothing to do with her being undead. Ive had girlfriends like that - full of vengence and fury over big AND little things. But the hypocrasy of doing unto others what you want vengence about (and thats 3rd party others - not doing to them what they did to you) sort of makes her seem like a huge nasty b***h with a huge chip on her shoulder.I also do not understand the 'death to everyone' approach by the forsaken. It seems.....shortsighted. If they suceed, then where will new forsaken come from? Yes some old corpses can be revived, but that number is finite.Over the years accidents and rivalrys will occur and numbers will slowly decline, eventually leaving azeroth a dead and empty place.@NinaAye in this case maybe use "not left an enemy completely perminently dead"@tylerhmmm I think you need some help mate. Necrophilia is not considered either normal or sane in this world. In the game world, having my heart slowly eaten out is not my toons idea of fun (probably before being reanimated -as he is human!). In fact this is the best counter for the old saying of 'make love not war' I can imagine. Unless ofc your already a forsaken (or warlock ofc) in which case its probably your erotic fantasy.
4-06-2011 @ 12:32PM
I think that it's important to note that the Forsaken motto may be "death to the living", but its more of a political statement than anything they live by. Just look at our (USA- I realize there are other countries but I can only base my opinion from my perspective) current political environment, and all the ridiculous things that are said by politicians leading people across the nation.My point is, the statements made by the Forsaken are not quite as literal as apparent, simply because the Forsaken have and will continue to work with the members of the Horde.As to your point about Sylvanas being hypocritical, she is. But there are a few ways to look at the chip on her shoulder, and certain perspectives are...kinder than others.1) The few people Sylvanas (in this case) specifically controlled were gnolls, ogres, and a few human renegades. While cruel, I doubt you cry over every gnoll, ogre, or rogue you kill while playing WoW.2) Sylvanas still offers a choice, even if is "Death or Servitude". Sylvanas was never even offered that choice- she gladly would have taken death, and was denied it.3) The humans in Hillsbrad, and Worgen in Gilneas, have every intention of interfering with the Forsaken. They do not wish to just be left alone.I'm not sure if these points console you at all, if you still think shes a huge nasty one, go ahead. This is just how I end up looking at things- but then again, I'm New Horde.
4-06-2011 @ 12:40PM
I believe Sylvanas' actions in Cataclysm reveal her to be quite the hypocrite, and every bit the threat Arthas was.I'm hopeful that she will overstep her bounds soon enough, and that we might strike low the Banshee Queen.
4-06-2011 @ 12:44PM
Cheeselandman - The Gilneans never had even a second's worth of a desire to even SEE the Forsaken until the Forsaken had invaded Gilneas. The Humans in Hillsbrad WERE INVADED BY THE FORSAKEN. Sylvanas even sent Mug'thol, one of her mind controlled slaves, into Alterac to steal for her. This whole "Everyone's out to get us" act is complete propaganda on Sylvanas' part. She invades an area then argues the people in it are a threat. Sure, they're a threat because you attacked them.
4-06-2011 @ 12:58PM
The independence or lack thereof of newly raised Forsaken is a bit muddled. If you create a Forsaken character, one of the first things you do involves raising more Forsaken and offering them a place, but they aren't required to join Undercity and some don't. And we know that there are quite a few Forsaken who do not follow Sylvanas; some are even in the Argent Crusade. On the other hand, later quests in Silverpine show Sylvanus having dead soldiers raised who immediately are subservient, and her treatment of Koltira definitely implies that he is going to be reconditioned into a more obedient servant (she even criticizes Arthas for having been too lax). So it's not entirely clear the amount of freedom the Frosaken have. I suspect that there are different grades: those in the military are expected to be utterly obedient, but others have much more leeway.
4-06-2011 @ 1:55PM
@Rossi100% agreed with you.Also to take note thier are more Forsaken living Undercity citing Sylvanas' recent action being against what the Forsaken first were doing.And what ever happen to the Cenerion Circle and Earthren's Rings attempts to cure the Forsaken of Undeath. I remember pre-cata a few quests in the plaguelands with members of both groups working towards that goal. Seems to me Sylvanas would get more mileage trying to make everyone alive again. Could happen with how the worgen can turn human outside of battle maybe a cure is made to let some undead regain some of their mortal coil if only their looks or sansity.And for the record no one knows how painful it is to die and come back. The amount of pain that you are subject to warps the minds, so I have always firmly believed that the forsaken while having free will were insane due to the undeath process. So manage to deal with the pain, others didn't and want to spread that pain. I think fallout 3 when the ghouls tell you how the process was so painful, that is why their are feral ghouls who couldn't take the pain of it.
4-06-2011 @ 1:58PM
Bah my comment has so many typos, Living=Leaving, thier= there, and so manage=some manage. Moral is, don't type before you had your coffee.
4-06-2011 @ 2:36PM
Yes, in theory, she offers a choice. But her choice is really this:"Without your permission we raised you from the dead. No no, don't thank us - we don't require your services, we just thought it'd be a kick. Now you can serve the Banshee Queen, or you can have nothing - nothing but clothes on your back. No training, no experience, no money, no friends, no nothing... or you serve."I've heard of Jersey Mobsters who were more fair then that.
4-06-2011 @ 3:25PM
@SaintStryfeShe also never mentions this lovely organization that takes in all members of race including undead HeadQuaters directly East of Undercity in Hearthglen.Argent Apothecary Judkins is proof that if you are raised by her, you do not have to obey only escape. So yea she doesn't offer a choice, she gives you half truths and broken promises while trying to justify the very actions that made her.
4-06-2011 @ 6:29PM
Oh, I agree that the Forsaken are a dark race and have committed atrocities; I don't see how anyone could question this. But they aren't mere "slaves" as several posters (and the author of this column!) have suggested, and Sylvanas is more than a cartoonish supervillain. The Forsaken under Sylvanas really believe that they are an endangered species and will do almost anything to protect themselves. Have they managed to convince themselves that acts of outright aggression are in fact defensive? Clearly. This doesn't make them right, but it does make them interesting.I think the genius of Blizzard is that they have made it so you can at least see things from the undead point of view. Take, for example, the undead soldier who is found almost catatonic with fear because "the humans are coming!" Suddenly, we realize that from a certain perspective, we really are the bad guys. It's a wierd perspective, but this is a fantasy world we're talking about.
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