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4-14-2011 @ 7:37PM
Garrosh was barely developed at a time when huge preconceived notions were all we had to go on. People love to hate something. Now that Garrosh is being fleshed out, the haters are a crying foul that he's being made to accommodate everyone. When you look at what we have to go on in the microcosm of events that is the WOW lore, you can't really justify an opinion either way without injecting your own hypothesis. Now that we have more to go on, it's obvious you're not supposed to hate Garrosh and think of him as a mindless tyrant or war monger, but people want to act like they had it pegged from the beginning and now things have been changed. The fact is, there was just enough there that Blizzard gave us to kindle the debate in the first place, which is fun. It's just a shame some people make it personal.
4-14-2011 @ 7:50PM
Because... emotionally connecting with the story is A. Bad. Thing? That could be the point.For those of us that hate him, it's no more shallow than those who jumped on the "GRRRrr... ORC-SMASH! HORDE is BADASS AGAIN!" bandwagon. For those of us that have watched his quite closely this whole time may stand by our first impressions. Come on. Give some of us credit that some of us DID read The Shattering and STILL think he's a gigantic, selfish, child. :) I mean that in the nicest way possible. XD
4-14-2011 @ 7:52PM
ugh... his STORY, watched his STORY closely. :)
4-14-2011 @ 8:04PM
So somehow the quest or two that DOESN'T make him look like an idiotic, warmongering moron is supposed to change all of the OTHERS that do?You do understand, right, that they have Horde NPC's also saying he's an idiotic warmonger, right? It's not a case of "we didn't have that much to go on." It's a case of "Blizzard writing him one way, and acknowledging it via NPC's."Saurfang himself says "I won't let you take us down that path again. I will kill you myself before I let you do that."So if he's suddenly supposed to be badass, and a good guy, not a idiot, and nice, why are the other NPC's also saying he doesn't know what he's doing?
4-14-2011 @ 10:29PM
@ Drakkenfyreand i quote: this is part way in but stillinstead you laid waste to the land killed Innocents, children even. i spent a very long time in northrend Kromgar i learned much about the horde in that time. next he says this:"while there a wise old war hero told me something honor Kromgar no matter how dire the battle, never forsake it."if im not mistaken those are the words of Saurfang as well. i could indeed be wrong, icc if im mistaken. ;)
4-14-2011 @ 10:40PM
not mistaken* i think thats actually very adult and honorable personally, though i agree with dreyja its not bad to get emotionally involved or attached to a lore character its a story people have been getting attached to fictional character for ages
4-14-2011 @ 10:37PM
@Elrith At best he is a try hard, at worst he is a moronic barbarian that will bring the Horde back to the dark days of the Shadow Council.I mean the "best" thing Garrosh has ever done was kill a Warlord who slaughtered women and children. Wow /golfclap. I mean it isn't like such a thing wasn't unconscionable under Thrall's reign or anything, and that Garrosh's "ME SMASH!" style leadership isn't responsible for the atrocity in the first place or anything. Every other thing he has done is to push the Horde closer to all out war with the Alliance which is incredibly stupid, lore wise, considering all the enemies that besiege Azeroth.If Blizz want to make it Alliance vs Horde they need to make it believable and NOT have all these out side forces that previously united the two in a common cause. The current Alliance vs Horde is only believable in that both factions have retarded warmongering leaders who are begging for assassination (Which Vol'jin threatened to do).At best Garrosh is pulling a "Dark Knight" and being the "bad ass" Warchief that people need right now.
4-14-2011 @ 10:46PM
Oh and Garrosh's reason for getting pissed about when Kromgar accidentally the whole village is that it wasn't honourable. Not that it was evil, simply not honourable.Maybe he would have been fine with it if they gave the Night Elf children weapons and fought Elf to Orc instead of dropping The Bomb™ on them. 'cause there are plenty of other times when Garrosh exhorts you to commit genocide against the Alliance with the clear implication that non-combatants will suffer as a result of your actions (even if it is just starvation from you stealing all their food).Meanwhile Thrall is off selflessly trying to prevent Azeroth imploding.
4-14-2011 @ 11:12PM
May I just say:? What Drakk said, and I hope that my inability to form a sentence tonight won't negatively influence his comments? Will it help if I say... he is smarter than me and is communicating exactly what I was saying, only BETTER?? Please? I need to sleep. Sorry for linking my stupidity to your comments Drakk. ;)
4-14-2011 @ 11:50PM
Eh? Your comment wasn't stupid, Dreyja.I was just echoing what you said, and adding the line by Saurfang. Anyone who thinks the percieved notion of Garrosh is simply based on the "limited information" we had of him in Wrath of the Lich King (which in itself is an error, he was barely there in Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King is where he was fleshed-out) didn't read the NPC's who said they didn't like him, or the quest texts which also criticize him.The OP is wrong. He wasn't "misjudged", Blizzard is setting him up to be a bad guy. They needed someone to stir the trouble up to put more tension between the factions, and they did. He will go back and forth, creating trouble for both factions, until he is probably absolutely hated by everyone except the diehard Horde fans who want nothng more than open war, then he will be made a raid boss.
4-15-2011 @ 12:20AM
@ theRaptor,that does not matter, were what 4 months into an expac that may last a year more, my point is you and everyone else is going from his past efforts, characters in all good stories have been known to change for the better or worse. My point is this, he was thralls choice and whether int he end its good or bad thrall had his reasons.also the words moronic barbarian could be used for Varian who i also like
4-15-2011 @ 1:45AM
@Lethian"my point is you and everyone else is going from his past efforts"Uh duh!That is all there is to judge ANYONE. Garrosh could turn out eventually to be the super-coolest guy in the universe. But right now he is an orge headed buffon who has done NOTHING positive for the horde.The reason people got up in arms about Garrosh pre-Cata was because the lore they had revealed then showed him going from a whiny little cry baby in Nagrand to an arrogant warmonger in Northrend. And in Cata his shining moment is not approving of the nuking of children. Wow, what a shining example for us all!And this piss poor effort of characterisation was done solely to cause more Alliance vs Horde friction (by making both faction leaders warmongering buffons) at a time where united efforts are needed to stop Deathwing and the Old Gods. It has nothing to do with "Thrall's choice". Thrall is a character who they wrote making a completely uncharacteristic decision just so they could push inter-faction conflict. It is bad character writing and bad plot writing for meta-game reasons.
4-15-2011 @ 2:47AM
Hell, it wasn't even the Night Elf village he cared about. Garrosh only lost it because the Commander killed the local Taurens before they could report what happened. Realising he had yet another disaster to sort out with Baine, he snapped and dropped said Commander off a cliff.
4-15-2011 @ 3:04AM
"...none can doubt that this Mag'har orc from Outland has charted a course for his people that will change the very face of Azeroth."So he is a great man. Well you know who else was great? VOLDEMORT. Yea. that's right.That quote almost compares him to Hitler. (I in no sense mean to be offensive, nor am I offended myself. I just want to point out that Hitler also "charted a course for his people that change[d] the very face of [Earth]." Just saying... it doesn't mean for the good.)
4-15-2011 @ 3:45AM
@Al - Exactly!
4-15-2011 @ 11:56AM
"But right now he is an orge headed buffon who has done NOTHING positive for the horde."Nothing? Let's count the zones the Horde controls under Hellscream versus under Thrall.I'm not saying I love the guy, but militarily, he's been pretty successful so far, which plays pretty well with his base, you have to admit.
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