I am Alliance but I HONESTLY feel your pain. :( I've seen this crap for months and... I'm sorry. I tried to understand his decisions in the book, I really did. I came out thinking he was nothing more than a very destructive child.

I don't know what they can do to Garrosh to make him anything but a child w/ Muscles and power. :(

I admit I'm alliance but I would be a Tauren if I were horde and.. where is their place now... really?

@mateo

Heh... I see whatcha did there. ;D /fist bump

OK yeah, now that you mention it, i do see the tattoos. I thought they would be more pronounced. It's funny, when I played Warcraft 3, Grom's chin was so black I honestly thought it was a neckbeard. I didn't know it was a tattoo until I read Lord of the Clans.

@Dreyja, I'm strongly Alliance, but I appreciate Horde lore, and...wow. Golden had it right in The Shattering, Thrall's observations that Cairne is the heart of the Horde. He really would be the best leader...if the intent is somewhat peaceful coexistence. Thrall tried, but for all his wisdom, he lacks the wisdom of age and experience. Honestly I think of the Orcs as central to the Horde, and for whatever peaceful existence they had on Draenor prior to Kil'jaeden's interference, I think they still had some violent animalistic tendencies (their annual coming together of the clans specifically to keep harmony between clans comes to mind) which the demon blood brought out. Now as a race, they've collectively tasted that lust for violence. They had their period of withdrawal and now their natural state seems to be becoming more pronounced. Look at Garrosh. How much of his behavior is driven by selfish and somewhat immature self-interest, and how much of it is innate to the race? And look at the Orcs as a whole. They were growing restless under Thrall. Garrosh gives their violent tendencies reason and direction.

It seems like the Orcs as a race are more willing to embrace Garrosh as a leader than Thrall, and think of what each represents: Thrall wants peace and prosperity, but wants the Orcs to literally work for them, suffering toward their goal; his reason for settling in the Barrens, so the Orcs would have to work for their living rather than pillaging the efforts of others. Garrosh wants the glory of the Horde. Garrosh is all about might and power; peace is incidental. He has no interest in diplomacy or the mundane administration. He's a war hero stuffed into a politician's suit. With Thrall passing on the role of warchief to someone who's frankly warchiefier, who killed (inadvertently) one advisor and refuses to listen to the others, the Orcs and any other allied races can't help but barrel towards more and more conflict. But then, maybe that's Blizzard's intention: wrapping up a story of conflict with peaceful resolution may be nice, but the game is World of WARcraft after all; best to keep the conflict going, I guess.

@Cambro. I can not dissagree with anything you said. This is why Golden's book, 'THE SHATTERING,"

My confidence in the Orcs as a people has been shattered.

My hopes that there is anyone left in the horde that honestly wants peace... IS SHATTERED!!!