Know Your Lore: Update on current Horde politics

Around this time last year, Know Your Lore did a series on the politics surrounding both Horde and Alliance, along with some predictions as to what was going to come to pass. Some theories were right, some were wrong -- but as far as the Horde is concerned, there has never been as tumultuous a time as right now in Cataclysm. While some of the conflict is out in the open, other signs of discontent are found in hidden away or in discreet areas, out of sight unless you're directly looking for them.
Garrosh Hellscream's reign as Warchief kicked off with a bang. The first few weeks of his rule as Warchief saw the destruction of Orgrimmar and its subsequent rebuilding as a result of the Shattering's devastation. In addition, the Horde found a new set of allies in the quirky, greedy, and often bizarre goblins, something that could be construed as either good or bad, depending on which way you look. On top of all of this, the duel with and subsequent death of Cairne Bloodhoof affected Garrosh deeply and caused him to create a closer alliance with the tauren race, giving them a special section of Orgrimmar in contrition for what happened.
Garrosh seems to have a somewhat level head on his shoulders and the best of intentions at heart, but a closer look reveals that the Horde is no longer as united a front as it was in the days of vanilla ... and some of that blame can be placed squarely on Hellscream's shoulders.
In last year's article regarding Cataclysm Horde politics, we discussed Vol'jin and his motives in regards to a piece released on the reclaiming of the Echo Isles, which stated, "But it won't be long before Vol'jin trusts you (the new troll player) with vital -- and potentially dangerous -- information about the political struggles plaguing the Horde and, ultimately, the fellow members of your tribe." We now know that the article was speaking of the argument between Garrosh and Vol'jin and the potential threat of the trolls leaving the Horde for good.
But after playing through the troll starting zone, players are treated to a scene in which Vol'jin speaks to Thrall directly about his choice and tells him of his fears for the Horde's future. Thrall clarifies his choice, the decisions behind it, and why he needs Vol'jin now more than ever:
Thrall: Vol'jin, I chose Garrosh because he has the strength to lead our people through these trying times. For all my supposed wisdom, there have been moments that I've barely been able to hold the Horde together. The Wrath Gate and Undercity displayed that clearly.For now. But the actions of Garrosh Hellscream have done little to gain Vol'jin's approval. Yes, the Darkspear were given an area of their own in Orgrimmar -- downstream from the obnoxious goblin allies and their polluted waters. And far, far away from the center of Orgrimmar, the heart of the city where the orc race reigns supreme.
The Horde cries for a hero of old. An orc of true blood that will bow to no human and bear no betrayal. A warrior that will make our people proud again. Garrosh can be that hero. I did not make this decision lightly. Vol'jin. I know our alliances will suffer for it. I know the Horde will be irreversibly changed. But I made this choice with confidence that Garrosh is exacty what the Horde needs. I'm trusting you and the other leaders to not let this divide our people. You are stronger than that.
Vol'jin: I understand, brotha. I will tink on this and be troublin' ya no furtha. You have a world to be savin'.
Thrall: Throm'ka old friend.
Vol'jin: Dese will not be easy times, but I be suspectin' we will be stayin' with tha Horde for the good of all. Thrall's words are true, as dey always be. The Horde is much more den a few old, stubborn leaders and a handful of heroes from Northrend. The people be cryin' Garrosh's name... at least for now.
One could say that at least Garrosh made the effort of extending a peaceful hand, but other events in Orgrimmar make one wonder why, exactly, Garrosh offered that helping hand. And the actions of other orcs in Orgrimmar lend themselves to the theory that for all his supposed "generosity," Garrosh doesn't really care about the non-orc races of the Horde, particularly the trolls.

This is made blatantly, absolutely clear by a series of quests. These aren't your normal run-around-the-world quests, nor quests with major cut scenes or spectacular rewards, but rather the quiet quests you complete every day and never really take note of -- but you should be.
In Orgrimmar, an orc named Marogg, infantry chef for the Horde army, hands out daily quests for cooking tokens. Most quests are fairly run of the mill; however, there are two that work hand-in-hand to illustrate the current frame of mind in Garrosh's Orgrimmar. The first, called Stealing From Our Own, begins with this text:
As you knowWhat this quest is saying is that Garrosh placed the trolls in the city specifically so that we would have easy access to their supplies, which we then steal and deliver for use to feed the orcish troops. This may seem like an innocent quest, but troll players who pick up Stealing From Our Own are not asked to steal from the trolls -- they are instead quietly directed to the goblin portion of Orgrimmar. After all, the goblins are brand new to the Horde and therefore rank on the low end of the totem pole., Garrosh has relegated the Trolls of Orgrimmar to the western outskirts of the city. Fortunately, that means that we have easy access to their supplies. I am working on a large batch of jambalaya for the infantry and I need as much rice as possible. Lucky for us, the Trolls keep it stored in barrels near their structures. Retrieve these barrels of Darkspear rice for me and I should be able to finish up.
What the goblins and trolls don't realize is that both of them are bottom of the barrel as far as Garrosh Hellscream is concerned, and they were placed deliberately on the edge of Orgrimmar not as a badge of any sort of honor but so that they were readily available to take advantage of. It's obvious that the trolls and goblins aren't completely unaware of this situation, however ...

We have had a problem with thieves stealing our infantry rations here in Orgrimmar for the last couple of weeks. I recently received some intelligence of where these crimes are taking place. Anywhere you see piles of crates and supplies, there are likely to be thieves nearby. I need you to hunt these thieves down and recover the stolen rations. Return to me when you are done.If players watch closely and take note, every thief you are sent to kill is either a troll or a goblin. These aren't thieves -- these are goblins and trolls trying to take back the supplies that the orcish contingent has stolen from them. And guess what we, the players, get to do? We kill the thieves. We kill the trolls and goblins that are simply after their rightful goods, which we have stolen in the name of the Horde.
The orcs have us slowly murdering our allies, and not one person has stepped up to point out the hypocrisy in these orders. We aren't killing thieves -- we are the thieves, and we are killing the owners that have come to take their property back. It doesn't exactly speak wonders for the mind of Hellscream or the minds of the orcs who follow his orders, does it?

Though the orcs, trolls, goblins, and tauren all have a rightful place in Orgrimmar, two races have been completely left out of any city plans: the blood elves and the forsaken. The forsaken are understandable, as it's made pretty clear in Silverpine that Garrosh has no love for the banshee queen, but the blood elves are simply missing altogether.
To perhaps compensate for the lack of an offical blood elf section of Orgrimmar, the blood elves have a small space beside Garrosh Hellscream in his chambers in the center of Orgrimmar. Two guards, three trainers, and an ambassador all take their places in Garrosh's chambers, where he can listen to their input in person.
Or is that really why they are there? Garrosh has made it blatantly clear that the only care he has for the human race is that they be exterminated as quickly as possible, along with their allies. The blood elves, for all their bravado about joining the Horde in their hour of darkness, were former allies of the races of the Alliance. They appear small, delicate, and share the same pink skin as the human race that Garrosh so abhors.
Are the blood elves present because Garrosh would like to listen to them, or are the blood elves present because Garrosh would like to make sure they don't slip back into the hands of the Alliance and betray the Horde? Or maybe, just maybe, the close ties between the forsaken and the blood elves are something that Garrosh would like to use in order to keep a closer eye on Sylvanas.
Speaking of Sylvanas, just what is the Banshee Queen up to, anyway? Her motives aren't really known, but her complete disgust with Garrosh Hellscream is made crystal clear to any player who steps into Silverpine and witnesses the heated exchange between Garrosh and Sylvanas as she introduces him to her new allies, the val'kyr. Sylvanas has some sort of ultimate plan, and it doesn't involve the Horde.
Players who continue through the Silverpine quests are treated to a view of Sylvanas that clearly shows her disdain for Garrosh and the Horde as it stands today. It's not just disdain -- Sylvanas willfully disobeys the orders Garrosh gives her. He tells her further use of the Forsaken Blight that decimated the Wrath Gate in Wrath of the Lich King is expressly forbidden, and Sylvanas promptly uses the blight anyway against the worgen. Later, it is revealed that Sylvanas' forsaken have drenched the former Alliance town of Southshore with the stuff, wiping out any trace of life and rendering the town uninhabitable until the plague has worn off.
The Forsaken Blight is essentially a reworking of the Plague of Undeath that was originally used to transform humans into the mindless Scourge soldiers of the Lich King. The fact that Sylvanas is using this plague, despite the events of the Wrathgate, clearly demonstrates that she holds no remorse over the destruction wreaked at the Wrathgate whatsoever. In fact, it's pretty evident that Sylvanas' only concern during that time was retaking the Undercity from Varimathras and the Royal Apothecary Society so that she could reclaim her place as ruler of the forsaken.
Yet despite the absence of Garrosh after that scene that played out at the beginning of the Undercity, despite his apparent ignorance of the events in Hillsbrad and Sylvanas' insolence, it is clear to anyone that takes a closer look at Garrosh's room in Orgrimmar that Sylvanas is not committing these errors under Garrosh's nose.

Cataclysm holds the unique distinction of being the first Warcraft expansion to be told in a way that progresses the story as time goes on. Upcoming patches not only release new content but further the story of the expansion with every new dungeon and every new raid instance given to players to surmount. In patch 4.1, we will see Vol'jin and the trolls quietly ask for players' help to address the issue of the Zandalari. In Orgrimmar, the quest giver who starts the chain of events in regards to patch 4.1 is not in Grommash Hold; she's out in the troll district, far from the eyes of Hellscream.
In patch 4.2, the Firelands raid will be introduced, along with a Hyjal that has continued to experience regrowth as a result of player effort in the zone. The story of Hyjal will progress with new dailies and an undoubtedly new story that continues the tale where we left off at level 82. The introduction of Ragnaros and the bosses in the Firelands raid will be directly related to stories that were introduced at the beginning of Cataclysm.

And as for Garrosh ... his reign as Warchief has been anything but smooth sailing. Though it hasn't been blatantly rubbed in our faces, all the little pieces in Orgrimmar point to a warchief who clearly has no idea how to be a diplomat and clearly has little regard for the other races in the Horde. It's disheartening to watch right now, but the stories in Hillsbrad, the stories in Durotar, the quiet stories that happen under our noses in Orgrimmar are all going to be addressed, in time -- it's just a question of when.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Current Horde Politics: Orcs, Blood Elves, Forsaken, Tauren, and Trolls
- Cataclysm Horde Politics
- Garrosh Hellscream, part one and two
- Sylvanas Windrunner, part one and two
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
anbilow Apr 17th 2011 6:09PM
Oh Garrosh... You and your honor...
I miss Thrall :(
Dreyja Apr 17th 2011 6:29PM
... I wonder if he actually knows what it means sometimes.
Dreyja Apr 17th 2011 6:37PM
I mean, I wonder if Garrosh understands what honor means.
Murdertime Apr 17th 2011 9:14PM
Given that Blizzard is not subtle and given that he stomps around giving speeches about honor that reference Saurfang and punishing people for being dishonorable and sending people to punish dishonorable minions and so on, I'm gonna say yes. He probably does.
Though it's probably more telling in Stonetalon that he almost avenges the elderly Tauren couple by killing you, regardless of the elderly couples feelings on the matter.
Noyou Apr 17th 2011 9:34PM
Yeah. His own twisted version of honor. He's a bad orc and you know how bad orcs get dealt with ;) I sense a major conflict of interest with Thrall wanting to "Save the world" as his current state now yet he appoints Garrosh as the Orc savior and all Garrosh wants to do is extinct the humans from the planet. So which is it? If Garrosh is acting on his own then you can throw honor out the window. If he is acting under Thrall's wishes then Thrall isn't the great savior people like to make him out as.
zweitblom Apr 18th 2011 2:02AM
You miss the Orc who has made Garrosh warchief and who *still* thinks Garrosh is suitable for the job? The Orc who had the elite of his own army (and the *true* heir to the position of warchief) killed because he could not be bothered to keep tabs on a notorious ally?
Thrall certainly was a brilliant guerilla leader, he is an awe-inspiring shaman. A capable politician he is not. Garrosh has the Charlie Sheen approach to politics: 'one gear, one speed - GO!' Yes, Varian has that, too. But Varian is *not* the leader of the Alliance, he is more like a primus inter pares.
I for one played through the Undead questline down to Hillsbrad. Suffice it to say that I will never play another Horde char again as long as Sylvanas and Garrosh are in charge.
bobikinbobwalker Apr 18th 2011 2:05AM
I really like Garrosh now. Looking back at Burning Crusade, even when he was being a stupid whiner, Greatmother Geyah said that deep down, he was a wise leader. And at this point, I think that's true. He's been through some extremely rough spots, just because he's never led anything on this scale before. But in general, he wants what's best for his people. And he's hardly the most trigger-happy person in the game. Y'know who's REALLY trigger happy?
Night Elves.
Bear with me on this for just a second. This struck me while I was doing quests for the Cenarian Expedition in Zangarmarsh on my alt yesterday. Watcher Leesa'oh asked me to get samples from Ogres in the Hewn Bog. I had to kill these ogres to get the samples. In fact, I wound up murdering about twenty. Before you say 'But they were deforesting the marsh!', know that Leesa'oh didn't even know why it was called 'Hewn Bog'. She had no idea what the ogres were doing. She just wanted you to kill ogres.
So this got me thinking. I remembered back to Warcraft III, where the Night Elves make first contact with the Orcs. Grom had been sent into the forest to harvest lumber so the Orcs could build a city. Kalimdor was their Promised Land, and they wanted a place to settle down and build a city to shelter their elders and young. Enter the Night Elves. Several scouts run into the Orcish expedition, and their first reaction is, quote, 'You were right, sisters. These greenskins have no respect for life. Slay them all, in Elune's name!'
Sorry, my Irony Indicator just exploded. There is no race in WoW other than the Night Elves that 'grows' buildings with druidic magic (and even they don't do it for all of them). Even the Tauren, who at this point worked very closely with the Night Elves, would've had to cut down trees to build the support beams for one of their tents. They are very familiar, at this point, with the concept of cutting down a tree to build a house. So the first thing these 'respecters of life' do when they make first contact with a newer race that also is not enlightened about better ways to build things is brutally murder the new people's women and children. They never open talks or negotiation. They just start killing.
When humans move in along with the orcs, they don't open talks with them either. They kill them too. It's only when Archimonde is beating down their door that they even consider teaming up with the Orcs and Humans, who, just for the record, managed to set aside their differences pretty much as soon as they were asked to by Medivh, and this was after centuries of bloody, destructive conflict, as well as racism on both sides in the years that had followed. The Night Elves had never met any of them. But still, they had trouble accepting the fact that maybe they SHOULDN'T kill them all. During the Frozen Throne, we watch a elven woman go totally insane over trying to kill one specific person, even after that person attempts to (in his eyes) make up for those crimes tenfold. She even leaves Tyrande to be destroyed by the Scourge over it. In World of Warcraft, we see that the Orc/Elf situation hasn't improved at all, despite the fact that the Night Elves should have great ties to the Horde, as they are long-standing allies of the Tauren. Instead of allowing the Orcs to cut down a few trees and build a settlement in a lush region where their people can thrive, they force Thrall to settle in a desert if he wants to maintain the peace. In a DESERT. After wrongly attacking both the Horde and the Alliance, and wrongly butchering everything from high-ranking Paladins to Orc grunts and peons, they won't even let the Orcs have a sliver of fertile Kalimdor territory to make amends. And they - surprise! - try to kill the Orcs who stay in Ashenvale.
I started to like Garrosh when I first leveled my Tauren Sunwalker alt. Now that I've thought about this, it makes me like him even more. I fought in his war to rid Ashenvale of the Night Elves, and I will fight in his righteous crusade until we tear down the city of Darnassus itself!
Because these filthy purple-skins have no respect for life.
Noyou Apr 18th 2011 6:00AM
Uh, big difference between taking a few trees (druids can probably grow trees with their magics) and putting up a lumber yard raping an entire section of forest. I haven't played through every night elf zone but the only animals/people they have you kill have been corrupted or are defending their territory. Take that as you will. If you walk into the hewn bog those ogres are hostile towards you. It's not murder at that point it's self defense. ;)
Sorcha Apr 18th 2011 8:12AM
Noyou: not if you walk in there intending to kill them.
Mal Apr 18th 2011 9:44AM
It's all due to the location of Orgrimmar. They need resources to maintain the city and the nearest sources were Ashenvale and Axhara. The goblins kinda took care of Azhara and no one really cared as it was kind of empty, but the orcs will ALWAYS be in conflict with the Night Elves as long as Orgrimmar stands. I can't say I really blame them, they need supplies and they didn't know the forest were sacred to the nelves. MAYBE if the elves had contacted beforehand and explained to them they could have reached an agreement but more than likely the orcs would have still fought for it. I mean the only other forest nearby is what, Feralas?
Honestly, I think the whole thing could have been prevented if the night elves had never joined the Alliance.
relmatos Apr 18th 2011 10:18AM
I understand that they wanted to move Thrall's story forward but I really dont understand how Thrall would ever place Garrosh as the leader of the horde.
In my view Thrall would place either Vol'jin or Cairne as leaders of the Horde and Garrosh and some orc Shaman as leaders of the Orcs.
I also could never see Thrall accepting the forsaken in the Horde. especially after Wrathgate so, my guess is that for the sake of the game, they completely ignored what Thrall would do.
bobikinbobwalker Apr 18th 2011 10:22AM
@Noyou:
A big race requires a lot of lumber, and you would think they would have arrived at this conclusion just from common sense. Also, remember that the Night Elves first started picking off the peons the moment they started cutting down the trees. My real problem here is that they didn't even bother to send envoys first. I'm sure Grom would've said no, we're not leaving, come and get a piece of me if you think you're hard enough because I am a frigging orcish Kratos, but it's just the fact that they didn't even bother to try and ask for peace that bothers me. Thrall, at least, would've accepted it in a heartbeat. He DID go out of his way to help an oppressed people group leave the Barrens and establish their own nation, so if the Night Elves had approached him and offered peace, he would probably have gone out of his way to make up for the few supposedly sacred trees Grom had already cut down (and more than just those trees were grown back in about an instant when Cenarius had his little temper tantrum).
The Orcs need supplies that only the forest can provide even to this day, and they won't let them have it without going down kicking and screaming. Meanwhile, Garrosh is fighting a multi-front war so he can give his people what they need to survive. Garrosh is much smarter than Thrall in a lot of ways. The most important thing he has realized that Thrall has not, imo, is that the races of Azeroth can no longer coexist. The humans want to butcher the orcs for no reason because Varian told them to, the orcs need the Night Elven territories if they want to survive for much longer, and both the humans and the Forsaken have been at each others throats already for years. War is unavoidable at this point, but since it's a war that the Horde MUST win if it is to survive, he is determined to come out on top. Curiously, he doesn't expect his troops to win this war 'by any means necessary' - he still wishes for his men to fight honorably. He understands more than anyone else the consequences of the Orcs descending into barbaric behavior - remember Nagrand? He was in a horrible depression because he was certain he would become his father when he started to lead. Everyone else knew his belief was unfounded, but he had so much fear of that sort of path, and so little faith in himself, that he was paralyzed to act. You can tell his confidence is pretty low in Wrath, as well. He's constantly overdoing things, constantly trying to live up to the 'fighting spirit of the Horde'. He had to use an iron fist to hold the Horde together for the first week or so of his leadership. But I think his mentoring from Saurfang and his leadership experience is kicking in. He knows when to kill and when not to kill, he's courageous on the battlefield, and expects the Horde to fight with dignity and valor. Because if the Horde doesn't act honorable in front of the Alliance, then human racism will continue, and these wars will never end.
Matheus314 Apr 18th 2011 2:45PM
Man, you Horde-fans are sou short-headed when it comes to politics... You must notice that, while the Alliance is a group of factions that think (almost all times) the same way and work together for a common goal and has no "leader" or "warchief", the Horde has a self-entitled chief in the orcs, that helped some scattered races here and there, gaining their help, in a kind of alliance that is fringe as it sounds.
You can see that in the Forsaken, that already are only Horde in the name, not following the orcs rulership anymore. The Trolls, long time orc partners, only to see this being totally ignorated by a dull-headed grunt, relegating them to the lower end of the totem pole. The Blood Elves, joined the Horde for simple convenience, as Thrall needed some support in the Eastern Kingdoms, and they can leave the horde to join the Alliance because of the Forsaken threat. The Taurens, that are very nature alligned and are as partners to the Night Elves as they are to the Orcs. And the Goblins, that are only on it for the money.
I can see any of the Horde factions leaving (to join Alliance or not), but I can't see any of the Alliance factions to leave (maybe the Gilneans, as they where always self-oriented, but for sure not joining the Horde). That's because one simple thing that caracterizes an alliance, same goals. The Alliance have it, the Horde don't.
jsin1276 Apr 17th 2011 6:09PM
A very nice retrospective on what is going on with the Horde and nice to have a reminder. I look forward to see what even unfold in time.
Comito Apr 17th 2011 7:40PM
Truly insightful news about the politics on the horde side! Didn't really look so into it like this! Awesome Lore content :)
Obuld Apr 17th 2011 6:16PM
The knife isn't planted where Sylvanas is using the blight.....
I believe it's on the Twilight Highlands, which would make more sense
patapsco Apr 17th 2011 6:26PM
The maps are upside down. Rotate the image and the knife goes straight into Hillsbrad/Gilneas
Brasson Apr 17th 2011 7:23PM
The map is upside-down.
RetPallyJil Apr 17th 2011 9:57PM
/shakes her fist at the Horde in impotent rage
Tim West Apr 17th 2011 11:48PM
the pic is upside down check it in game, the blade is squarely between silverpine and hillsbrad