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4-18-2011 @ 10:22AM
@Noyou:A big race requires a lot of lumber, and you would think they would have arrived at this conclusion just from common sense. Also, remember that the Night Elves first started picking off the peons the moment they started cutting down the trees. My real problem here is that they didn't even bother to send envoys first. I'm sure Grom would've said no, we're not leaving, come and get a piece of me if you think you're hard enough because I am a frigging orcish Kratos, but it's just the fact that they didn't even bother to try and ask for peace that bothers me. Thrall, at least, would've accepted it in a heartbeat. He DID go out of his way to help an oppressed people group leave the Barrens and establish their own nation, so if the Night Elves had approached him and offered peace, he would probably have gone out of his way to make up for the few supposedly sacred trees Grom had already cut down (and more than just those trees were grown back in about an instant when Cenarius had his little temper tantrum).The Orcs need supplies that only the forest can provide even to this day, and they won't let them have it without going down kicking and screaming. Meanwhile, Garrosh is fighting a multi-front war so he can give his people what they need to survive. Garrosh is much smarter than Thrall in a lot of ways. The most important thing he has realized that Thrall has not, imo, is that the races of Azeroth can no longer coexist. The humans want to butcher the orcs for no reason because Varian told them to, the orcs need the Night Elven territories if they want to survive for much longer, and both the humans and the Forsaken have been at each others throats already for years. War is unavoidable at this point, but since it's a war that the Horde MUST win if it is to survive, he is determined to come out on top. Curiously, he doesn't expect his troops to win this war 'by any means necessary' - he still wishes for his men to fight honorably. He understands more than anyone else the consequences of the Orcs descending into barbaric behavior - remember Nagrand? He was in a horrible depression because he was certain he would become his father when he started to lead. Everyone else knew his belief was unfounded, but he had so much fear of that sort of path, and so little faith in himself, that he was paralyzed to act. You can tell his confidence is pretty low in Wrath, as well. He's constantly overdoing things, constantly trying to live up to the 'fighting spirit of the Horde'. He had to use an iron fist to hold the Horde together for the first week or so of his leadership. But I think his mentoring from Saurfang and his leadership experience is kicking in. He knows when to kill and when not to kill, he's courageous on the battlefield, and expects the Horde to fight with dignity and valor. Because if the Horde doesn't act honorable in front of the Alliance, then human racism will continue, and these wars will never end.
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