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4-24-2011 @ 6:13PM
*inb4 accusations and factional arguments start spreading like wildfire*
4-24-2011 @ 7:36PM
Its difficult to see how things pan out.Tuarajo was razed because it was identified as a post where the Horde trained warriors, hunters, etc. That assessemnt is probably correct and givent he state of war at the time, it does seem a legitimate target. Nor was the Alliance entirely out for slaughter....the General in charge deliberately left the civilians a way out; those who remained and fought were armed combatants.More problematic is the timing. On one hand we have a Tauren who states the battles took place before the Cataclysm. On the other, we have information that the road was needed to reinforce Stonetalon...a battle that didn't start until Garrosh decided to claim all of Kalimdor and it resources for the Horde after he became warchief. The Shattering complicates matters as it seems to show that the events of the cataclysm occurred mere days after Thrall stepped down, days after Baine bid Jaina and Anduin farewall and yet no conflict is seen in the Barrens.
4-24-2011 @ 7:56PM
Yes, I'm not going to be surprised if this treatment of the story leads to a lot of flaming.This is a fair, accurate description of the Horde side and perspective to the story in the Southern Barrens. However, the two-week format really can't help but come across as biased against the Alliance. The Alliance side of the events are a strong counterbalance to the Horde perspective, but I think this issue, which is quite touchy for a lot of people, will suffer from being split up. It would have been far more constructive, in my opinion, to offer both sides of the conflict in a longer, single article; even if it took longer to write and pushed the release back a week.In any case, I urge everyone here to hold off on condemning the Alliance for their actions until both sides of the story have been explored.
4-24-2011 @ 9:23PM
I think the problem is twofold really;1) we don't know what really happened, neither of the questlines (horde or alliance) is really facts.2) Perception is very biased in this matter. "The Tauren are peaceful!" so, wait, the grimtotems didn't attack Dustwallow for years? "They don't count!" and there are no tauren's fighting for the horde? Was this peaceful little camp growing daisies, or were bands of hunters staged from there? Did they produce weapons of war, or did the blacksmith only make special shoes so the peaceniks couldn't Warstomp anymore?I'm not saying the alliance is right, but they are fighting a war of skirmishes. This is not a military town, but the people there DO fight for the horde.(Otoh, the tauren are probably the only horde race that actually HAS a claim to the lands they use. People gloss over the horde's attack on the ancestral lands of the night elves as the night elves fault too, so I guess we can gloss over the humans armies rolling tanks into the Taurens lands...)
4-24-2011 @ 10:45PM
Quite frankly I find all this talk of training up hunters and 'legitimate targets' appalling. Yes you can go on a long rant about what the Horde have done, and how in all kinds of ways the the Alliance could be justified in this that and the other, but none of it matters. The simple fact is this: You don't murder children.The burning of Taurajo was a horrific, immoral act, made all the worse by the fact that it was entirely unnecessary as even a military move. Wars can be fought without destroying civilian targets.Don't look at the act in the larger sphere. Neither the Horde or the Alliance are ever going to come off as the 'good guys' if you do that anyway. It's all personal bias. But look at the act itself and it is clearly completely unjustifiable.
4-25-2011 @ 12:26AM
"It would have been far more constructive, in my opinion, to offer both sides of the conflict in a longer, single article; even if it took longer to write and pushed the release back a week."And yet that is *exactly* how Blizzard chose to tell this story. I for one salute the author to reimagine that kind of inciteful storytelling by splitting up the article about it as well. There is no *one* Azeroth anymore - not only the land has been sundered, people(s) have been as well.
4-25-2011 @ 4:24AM
"The simple fact is this: You don't murder children."Tell that to that general in Stonetalon. Yes, Garrosh killed him, but the fact that it happened in the first place says a lot about the "absolute control" a Warchief has over his forces.Not to mention that the Alliance didn't kill any children at Camp Taurajo. The general in charge deliberately left a path open for the civilians to leave, even when some of the people under him didn't share his feelings.
4-25-2011 @ 8:49AM
@Vaeku: The ghosts of those murdered at Taurajo seem to tell a different story.But on Stonetalon, yes absolutely. That's why I'm saying neither side can take any kind of moral high ground, we've both committed atrocities and gone too far. That's why these whole 'we were justified because of x' arguments are so foolish.
4-25-2011 @ 9:28AM
Having done the quests on alliance side it still doesn't sit well with me. I do love the Tauren as a race of honorable and mainly peaceful people. There was time allowed as you learn, for any non combatants to escape. So my interpretation is that no women and children who weren't taking up arms were not killed. Since there were other factors in play (Deathwing, Quillboars and corrupted wildlife) if you stumble onto the scene after the fact and see the bodies of innocents on the ground naturally you are going to assume it was the alliance who did it.
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