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5-01-2011 @ 8:33PM
I doubt asking Baine would have worked; many Tauren are participating in the attacks on the Alliance in Ashenvale and otherwise, and the planned attack on the refugee outpost of Lor'danel.The Tauren are as much the of the Garrosh's Horde as the orcs now. And that is a very, very sad fact.
5-01-2011 @ 9:33PM
Plus, while Baine himself may have allowed them through, just think of the repercussions when Garrosh gets wind of it. There's no way he'd allow any of his Horde to help Alliance, and Baine would be in a tight bind if he did.Of course, while talking about "What if Jaina...." why couldn't she just port them all to Darnassus? I mean every level 40 Mage can do that. :P
5-01-2011 @ 9:43PM
I'm not sure where people got the idea the Tauren were ever 'nice'. They've been engaged in a genocidal war for years. In the occasions you've been up against people they've viewed as enemies, they've been pretty ruthlesss. They sided with the Orcs because they pretty much have the exact same animistic tribal warrior culture, just with slightly less spikes and anger control issues. They're part of Garrosh's horde for the same reason orcs are. Garrosh embodies of the more stabbie orientated virtues of their culture.
5-01-2011 @ 11:34PM
"The Tauren are as much the of the Garrosh's Horde as the orcs now. And that is a very, very sad fact."The sadder fact is that the tauren are loosing more land to the orcs than the Alliance. Gee whiz, we seem to need a watch tower here, fellas. Why don't you move up the hill a bit? Oh wait, no... we'll need that too eventually. You know, while you've got your stuff packed up already, why don't you just let us handle things in Stonetalon for ya? The tauren are way too nice, and I'm starting to think they ought to join with Vol'jin and just revolt.
5-01-2011 @ 11:50PM
One could still have managed a much less dumb way of sacking a "soft" target.Jaina could have ported up to Baine and said "Send a runner to the gates at Mulgore and one to camp Tarajo. When the runner at camp T arrives, the town will have 10 minutes to pack and get to the gate. We will allow the gate to be open for 10 minutes. After that, we are not responsible for a loss of life. I am sorry, but Stormwind was very specific about this and I suck at standing up to men that aren't about to become arch-villains."Leaving a gap in their lines that led through unknown territory vs letting them get to their own damn gate and pulling your forces back to allow them to go to their race's stronghold? Yay, someone made a bad call if he actually wanted to save lives and not piss off a race known for using tree trunks as melee weapons...
5-02-2011 @ 12:54AM
"I doubt asking Baine would have worked..." Never know til you try. As an Alliance player this story saddens me. I recently played through the area and it made me feel a little better than what I have been reading mainly on here from horde biased individuals. But still, why the Tauren? Why the silly little outpost? Why give Garrosh any fuel for his propaganda? You could also argue the Tauren's gave up the village when they put their wall up. But that still doesn't justify what they did. I mean how would we feel if another country came into ours and said "hey you guys leave we are building a road so our military can march through." I'm pretty sure the negotiations would turn physical. So yeah, It doesn't hurt to ask. Hell some kegs of ale and spice bread could have went a long way ;)
5-02-2011 @ 3:54AM
Asking would have been unlikely to work... If I'm understanding this article correctly, the REASON Alliance wanted to build a road through the Barrens was to get supplies to their forces fighting the Horde in Ashenvale and Stonetalon. Now, even if there were no Tauren troops in either of those places, and even considering the fact that Baine does not like Garrosh, for Baine to willingly allow the Alliance to build a supply road to reinforce their troops against the Horde would be nothing short of treason. He would betrayed his allies by willingly allowing their enemies free passage. This is not something Baine would have done. He did not put aside his desire for vengeance to remain in the Horde just to throw it all away like that. If he had WANTED to leave the Horde, he could have asked Jaina for her support in exchange for the Tauren's allegiance when he was preparing to drive the Grimtotem out of Thunder Bluff. But, no, the Tauren are loyal through-and-through.
5-02-2011 @ 12:01PM
Asking Baine would not have worked for a few reasons.1) The Alliance would be asking to build a military supply route through the heart of Horde territory. No matter how amicable relations between Baine and Jaina are the Horde and Alliance as wholes are still enemies.2) The purpose of the supply route was to reenforce Alliance operations in Stonetalon Mountains. That area is ancestral Tauren land. Why would Baine allow anyone to safe passage (let a lone build a supply route) through Horde territory when the purpose of said route is to supply an invasion of Tauren territory and attacks on his people? The Alliance had even gone so far as to ally with the Grimtotem. "Hey Baine, is it cool if we build a road through your town so that we can help the people who murdered your dad takeover Stontalon Mountains?"3) Due to the Night Elf's trade embargo against the Horde the Alliance couldn't even "sugar coat" the operation as the expansion of a trade route. "Why should we allow you to build a trade route through our territory when you refuse to trade with us?" would be the natural response.
5-02-2011 @ 2:20PM
Noyou... "I mean how would we feel if another country came into ours and said "hey you guys leave we are building a road so our military can march through." Read up on your Native American history and ask that question again.
5-02-2011 @ 4:51PM
"Jaina could have ported up to Baine and said 'Send a runner to the gates at Mulgore and one to camp Tarajo. When the runner at camp T arrives, the town will have 10 minutes to pack and get to the gate. We will allow the gate to be open for 10 minutes. After that, we are not responsible for a loss of life. I am sorry, but Stormwind was very specific about this and I suck at standing up to men that aren't about to become arch-villains.'"And the Tauren response would have been "Send all available troops to Camp Taurajo. The alliance has threatened to take out our outpost if we don't grant them passage."The attitude of "move, or we'll move you" never sits well with anybody.
5-02-2011 @ 11:51PM
"They've been engaged in a genocidal war for years. In the occasions you've been up against people they've viewed as enemies, they've been pretty ruthless."I dunno, considering they were on the receiving end of the genocidal war with the centaur first, and were nearly wiped out, I'm not going to hold their current stance against them.
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