Gold Capped: Selling glyphs in Cataclysm, part 1

When Cataclysm launched, it came with a design change for the glyph system. Whereas players who wanted to change glyphs previously had to buy a new one to overwrite an existing one, they could now use Dust of Disappearance to overwrite their glyphs with any of their learned glyphs.
I split markets in WoW into two segments:
- Items that players will only buy once per character
- Items that are bought multiple times per character
Pricing your materials
As with any profitable crafting endeavor, you should always start by looking at the mats. You have to know that you're getting the mats for your products as cheaply as possible -- or at least as cheaply as the next guy. The first and most important thing to know is that you can trade Blackfallow Ink for any of the mats for lower-level glyphs at the ink trader in your capital.
- Different glyph materials will lead to different levels of price on the AH. Glyphs that take Midnight Ink, for example, are going to be much less expensive to make by milling for it if Mageroyal is 20g a stack.
- In general, you want to mill the herbs that will allow you to complete your crafting queue with the least material investment possible. If trading down Blackfallow Ink is cheaper than milling Outland herbs for Ethereal Ink, then do that. If milling for Ink of the Sea is cheaper, do that.
All inks are obtained by Milling herbs. Each Cataclysm herb mills into either five Blackfallow Inks and about half an Inferno Ink, or six Blackfallows and a whole Inferno. The two types of herbs that yield more inks are Whiptail and Twilight Jasmine. Many people will tell you to pay 60% more for these herbs; however, that advice is based on the assumption that you actually need Inferno Ink and will be trading most of your Blackfallow Ink in for it. This is how you would calculate costs if you were selling Darkmoon Cards, but we're talking about glyphs here, and glyphs don't use Infernos.
So how do you calculate your cost? If Cinderbloom is 40 gold per stack and Whiptail is 60 gold, which do you buy? Trick question -- the answer is both. However, the real cost to produce the Blackfallow Inks you'll get from these should be calculated carefully. The Blackfallows you get from a stack cost you the amount you paid for the stack minus whatever the Infernos are worth. Infernos are very valuable, but dumping them can reduce that price. Regardless of whether you sell them raw, use them on Darkmoon Cards, or do something else entirely, my suggestion is that you divide the value of a stack of herbs up based on the ratio you can convert Blackfallows into Infernos (10 to 1).
- That 40g stack of Cinderbloom is worth half an Inferno and five Blackfallows, so that half Inferno cost 20g, and those five Blackfallows also cost 20g. It would cost five Blackfallow Inks to trade in for the half Inferno ink, so split the cost of the stack evenly between those five Blackfallows and the actual five Blackfallows you'll get when milling.
- That 60g stack of Whiptail will mill into a whole Inferno Ink and six Blackfallows, so that Inferno cost 37.5g and those six Blackfallows cost 22.5g. It would take you 10 Blackfallow Inks to trade in for the Inferno, so 62.5% of the gold you spent on the Whiptail is going to the Inferno Ink, and 37.5% is going to those Blackfallow Inks.
Know the possibilities
Want to know the reason glyphs cost so much on some servers? It's not that herbs are expensive, it's that it's a real hassle to manage such a large volume of different types of items. There are 343 glyphs you can learn, and each one of them has its own balance of supply and demand. It's not the type of business that fits into your head without help; my post about the glyph market addons and pricing is coming next time.
Every additional glyph you know is an additional market you can profit from. There are a few different sources for learning glyphs:
- The trainers have 140 learnable glyphs that you will get just as you level your trade skill.
- There are 200 glyphs that you can learn through discovery (Northrend Inscription Research, Minor Inscription Research, and Books of Glyph Mastery). Note that some of them are miscategorized on Wowhead with no source.
- There are three glyphs at the vendors.
Fortunately, this means that the prices for the glyphs learned this way tend to remain more profitable more often than other glyphs. Still, paying 400g a book over 50 times can make a new glyph maker feel unprofitable quickly. Do the math, and figure out how many glyphs you have to sell once you buy the book to make back the money you spent on it. Then decide whether you're willing to invest the time needed to make that many sales.
If, unlike me, you predicted this situation and stockpiled books, that investment seems to have paid off. Ah well, live and learn.
Filed under: Economy, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Zamboni May 9th 2011 3:19PM
Cinderbloom is down under 9g per stack on my server. It's cheaper than Silverleaf.
There comes a point when you stop calculating your expenses...
wutsconflag May 9th 2011 3:43PM
Yep, the farmers are back, and out in force. There's a reason that glyphs are starting to approach pre-Cataclysm prices (mostly - obviously some still sell for several hundred gold).
Necromann May 9th 2011 3:44PM
That is incredible I wish my realm was like that.
(cutaia) May 9th 2011 3:26PM
Aw. I finally know what it's like to have Basil give away the secrets to my chosen market.
And what's worse...there's a "part 1" in the title? Shucks, man.
knightofdeath May 9th 2011 3:43PM
I feel like we have the same fear, pretty soon we will have people just making glyphs and be forced to return to Mysterious Fortune Cards
wutsconflag May 9th 2011 3:45PM
It's happened before, and while a few people will likely enter the market because of it, only the people who are truly willing to play will remain invested. I've outlasted a few dozen competitors, and I still do a brisk business. Every week, a new name pops up, and every week, another falls away into the dark.
nikdaheratik May 9th 2011 5:41PM
I got every single glyph in Lich King, and TBH you can keep your "secrets". Glyphs are a mess. Any business that involves making and posting up 100s of unique items which may or may not sell from week to week is not worth the time unless you have a virtual monopoly. I still get into it once in awhile just to make some quick gold on inflated items, but dailies are less of a bother and the way the market is on my server they're nearly as profitable. JC is king in cata, unfortunately.
(cutaia) May 9th 2011 5:52PM
Wow...it's interesting to hear the glyph market referred to as messy. Once or twice a day I relist undercut auctions and replace anything that's sold and I walk away with 2-5k a day.
I feel like I'm making money for doing absolutely nothing.
Spellotape May 10th 2011 6:06AM
I typically list my glyphs every three days for the longest duration between 20-30g regardless of what everyone else lists them as. The people who want to sell glyphs for 200g buy them out soon after and the rest just stay there while everyone else's auctions expire. I sell most of them and minimal listing effort was involved.
TJ May 9th 2011 3:36PM
I still don't like paying 800-1000g per Book of Glyph Mastery on my server, and the bad thing is that out of 10 toons on the server, I have only found 1 book from a drop.
Ben May 9th 2011 3:47PM
Yeah I really don't understand why blizzard limited the market like this. I'm not really aware of any other profession in the game where something that is so important to gameplay is so inaccessible. OTOH, I got all the glyphs learned back in WOTLK, so it works out well for me :)
I assume at SOME point they will start making them drop off current mobs again, and I fear that day! :D
nikdaheratik May 9th 2011 5:44PM
The obvious solution is to make an alternative where they are learnable off the Northrend cooldown (or something like it). That still keeps them relatively unique while avoiding speculation. But IDC, I think as far as the AH goes, it's more about who is willing to put the time in posting the stuff then about having not enough people who know the recipe. It only takes between 3-5 per server to fill out the demand.
Spark May 9th 2011 6:02PM
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Ben May 9th 2011 3:47PM
Yeah I really don't understand why blizzard limited the market like this. I'm not really aware of any other profession in the game where something that is so important to gameplay is so inaccessible.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if Blizzard introduced the ability for Scribes to create Mastery books?
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Listen - I used to be like you. I used to fly long hours from my home city to slay dragons for some quest giver. But the coin was never that good and I felt like I just wasn't getting anywhere. But then I said "no more" to the grind and developed my clear and easy glyph gold making method. I've already made hundreds of thousands and I want to share my secrets with you!
Spark Sheets Guide to Glyph Market Gold comes in only 37 installments - each a valuable and easily right-clicked Glyph Mastery tome. Start making gold today with your first installment of just 199g 99s. Act now and get a stack of "rare" pigments as our gift to you. Auctioneers are standing by.
Herman May 9th 2011 3:38PM
glyphs range in price on server i' playing on now from 50g-300g, is this the normal range? because my mains server they never go over 150 at the most expensive.
Ben May 9th 2011 3:44PM
On my server, there's a particular seller who always comes along and posts EVERY glyph for 25g >.< If there's no one else posting a particular glyph, I put it up for 200g, though. Just depends on how greedy your glyphers are, and how aggressively they undercut each other :) 300g is pretty high though.
wutsconflag May 9th 2011 3:46PM
There's a plethora of glyphs posted on my server a sub-20g prices. This is largely due to herb farmers being back in the game, as prices of herbs have plummeted recently. That said, there are also plenty of glyphs posted above 150g and a few are even above 250g.
Glonk May 9th 2011 3:55PM
I'm a small player in my servers glyph market but I know the prices at least, goes up to 200g but rare, 100g some, large chunk at 60-80g and an even larger chunk at
nikdaheratik May 9th 2011 5:50PM
It is normal as there are two big issues with glyph pricing: 1) Whether the recipe drops off the northrend book or not, as the northrend ones are slightly more rare. 2) Whether the recipe is trainable, as people typically make a ton of the ones they use to level with and then dump them on the AH. 3) Who all is posting what glyphs. Very few people have the time to make and post 2-3 of everything, so if there's no competition alot of people have their addons post 2-3 times what the price normally is, although I can't say from experience whether they actually sell as alot of the reason why people don't post is because the glyph isn't selling quickly enough (because it sucks).
Ben May 9th 2011 3:42PM
I've been working the glyph market a lot recently. One issue I ran into at first was, what to do with the spare low-level uncommon inks? I ended up with hundreds of them.
I was pleasantly surprised to find that someone bought a large number of many different uncommon inks, apparently to get Darkmoon Faire reputation? I don't know how it compares to other methods, but I sent him a pm and arranged a bulk sale, unloading a massive quantity of them for a decent price.
I highly recommend Tradeskill Master to handle the massive quantity, though of course it takes some work to get it configured properly.
wutsconflag May 9th 2011 3:47PM
I sell the pigments raw for those adventurous souls who are leveling Inscription. Usually plenty will sell the week before and during the Darkmoon Faire.