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5-09-2011 @ 3:00PM
Epicism has been very successful at squashing this nonsense before it even joins the guild. Raid spots for most of our teams are not guaranteed. Everyone knows this up-front, and no one has had a problem with it.I think it works because every member of our team is exceedingly helpful, and will gladly step aside for a fellow member in countless ways. We state up front that if you're not similarly helpful, you should probably keep looking. We've also adopted a simple policy that states that if a member is benched, they may claim a spot the following week as comp allows. No more than two raid positions per team may be affected by this request, which shifts the onus for individual raid participation from the officers to the members.Between these things, this problem simply wouldn't occur in our guild. I trust that if it did, our members would promptly balk at the offenders' selfish nature; which runs counter to our code -- and they'd be promptly voted from the island as a result.As a shameless plug, we're always looking for like-minded adult players. I trust we probably aren't that hard to find; Epicism of Rexxar. Those who appreciate our unique code are most welcome to apply! =)
5-09-2011 @ 3:58PM
Glad to see others doing this, too! That's actually what my guild does. Whenever someone mentions an interest in raiding in their application (regardless of the fact that our recruitment post says one of our raid teams needs XYZ roles), we tell them upfront that raid spots are NOT guaranteed. If it just so happens that the applicant joins the guild and gets to raid later on, that's great! The applicant is joining the guild, first and foremost; other activities such as raiding are all just perks. We want people who are going to add to and enhance the guild atmosphere, become part of our community... not just show up and take things and then throw a fit if they don't get their way. That's not how a team works. We learned the hard way on several occasions that trying to fill in raid spots with anyone and everyone will quickly ruin more than just the raid. We recently had to deny an applicant because all the application mentioned was, in a nutshell, "I want loot and progression. I haven't gotten either because other groups/pugs/guild(s) weren't good enough." The first question we asked ourselves as officers was, "So, if this guy doesn't 1) get to raid consistently; 2) get to progress consistently; and 3) get gear consistently, he's just going to leave or, worse yet, get his gear and run if the other two criteria aren't up to his expectations?" The vote was unanimous.
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