All the World's a Stage: Orcs and timelines in roleplay
Last week we discussed the life span of elves -- be they night elves or blood elves, the short answer is that elves life for a very, very long time. Elves are one of the native races of Azeroth, predated only by a few different races. But there are races on Azeroth today that didn't originate there, races that traveled to Azeroth through one means or another. Today we're going to talk about one of those races and how they came to arrive -- the orcs of Draenor.
The life span of an orc is relatively short by Azerothian standards. Though elves can live to be thousands of years old, the orcs are lucky if they even get close to 100 years of age. This makes pinpointing timelines for the orcish race relatively simple, and much like the humans we discussed two weeks ago, there's a limit to how far back in the timeline you need to go in regards to age.
Life span
For the orcish race, the lifespan is fairly similar to that of a human -- it's the history behind the orcs that sets them apart. Once again, we're using the Warcraft RPG source books as guides to age ranges -- your mileage may vary. And as always, in a world full of magic like WoW, it's entirely possible that some strange circumstance may have extended your character's life, whether it be through magical means or otherwise.
For orcs, the age at which they're officially "adult" comes a little later than humans. Orcs reach maturity at about age 18-20. Middle age is around age 40 or so, old age at 65, venerable age at 80, and they rarely live beyond 100 years of age. But beyond that, consider the life of the average orc and the amount of battle they've seen -- between coming through the Dark Portal, the First, Second, and Third wars and the constant conflicts in World of Warcraft, it's not very likely that an orc is going to live to his maximum life span, although it is possible.
As with all life spans recommended by the RPG source guides, there are points of contention -- some orcs that were very much alive prior to Kil'jaeden's arrival on Draenor and subsequent corruption of the orcish race are still alive, though very, very old. Though the RPG source guides state that orcs rarely live over 100, there are exceptions to every rule -- and even though the history of the orcish race is rife with war and conflict, it's possible that an orc may have lived longer.
History and timelines
Once again, as with all races when you're figuring out where your orc was when important events occurred, or what historical events they may have witnessed, all you have to do is determine the age of your character, and then hop backwards in the timeline. Though the orcish race has been present on Draenor for a very, very long time, the lifespan of an orc is short enough that they'd really only remember fairly key events from orcish history, depending on where they were born in the timeline.
0-18 years of age Young orcs just starting out in the world in the wake of Cataclysm would have been born right around year 15. This was smack in the middle of when the orcs were placed in internment camps in Lordaeron after the Second War -- reading the novel Lord of the Clans will give you a good idea what those internment camps were like. An orc just turning 18 wouldn't really remember the internment camps too vividly; Thrall released the orcs around year 18 of the timeline, which means your orc would be roughly 3-4 years old at the point that the trip to Kalimdor was made. The Third War, vanilla WoW, The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King would be events your orc has heard about, but not necessarily experienced -- and they know nothing of life on Draenor, other than what stories they may have been told during their childhood.
19-40 Older orcs have lived through far more important historical events than the younger ones have. An orc at 40 years of age would have been born in year -7, just before the opening of the Dark Portal and the beginning of the First War in year 0. Though they would be too young to participate in the First War, the Second War hits at about age 12-13 in a 40-year-old orc's lifetime. While orcs do not technically reach maturity until age 18, it is entirely possible that a young orc would have been ordered to participate in the war efforts, particularly since the Second War was the one the Old Horde would eventually lose.
By 15 or 16 years of age in your orc's life, the Second War would have been lost. Most orcs were rounded up and placed in internment camps, succumbing to the lethargy that plagued most orcs of that time. The next ten years or so would be spent either in internment camps or -- if your orc was lucky to belong to one of those clans that managed to escape -- living in hiding and trying to avoid captivity. At age 25-26, Thrall appeared, freeing the orcs from the internment camps and leading them to safety and, eventually, Kalimdor.
An orc at 40 years of age lived in pretty much the prime of all of recent orc history -- and would also likely be fiercely devoted to Thrall. The memories of the Old Horde would largely involve the Second War and the failure of the orcs, and the larger chunk of their life would have been spent in interment camps, or avoiding capture. It was a rough life, a very rough life until Thrall appeared -- and his appearance was absolute salvation.
A 100 year old orc would have been close to 25 or 26 years of age at the time of that ceremony. They may have vague memories of life before Mannoroth, but by the time they were born Kil'jaeden had already set his claws into orc society. They would definitely remember the slaughter of the draenei, and more than likely even have participated in it -- and at roughly 60-61 years of age, the Dark Portal opened.
A 100 year old orc may have participated in the First War and celebrated the victory over Stormwind, but by the time the Second War rolled around, they'd be pushing 70 years of age -- very old by orc standards, and possibly too old for direct combat. They would remember the internment camps, and everything after, far more vividly than most younger orcs would.
Keep in mind that a 100 year old orc is nearing the very end of his life span -- and the amount of orcish history they witnessed in their lifetime is huge. They witnessed the fall of the Old Horde and the rise of the New Horde of today, and how they judge the new Horde, particularly Garrosh's Horde, should be thought about carefully. Did they enjoy the Old Horde's brutal ways? Do they despise the human race for imprisoning the orcish race at a time of weakness? They'd probably like Garrosh. Were they eternally grateful to Thrall for his leadership towards redemption? They might not be so keen on Garrosh.
Wars and participation in orc history
Given the fairly short life span of orcs, how do you determine what age you'd like your character to be? Honestly, the history of the orcish race is so rich in detail, particularly towards year 0, that I would recommend picking an event in recent orc history that you would like your orc character to have participated in -- a moment in history that would be a very powerful memory in your orc's life. From there, figure out how old your orc would have needed to be to participate in those events, and then just add it up to determine your orc's age.
So say, for example, you want to play an orc that participated the First War and the sacking of Stormwind, one that remembers that trip through the Dark Portal. Since those events occurred at Year 0 in the timeline, your orc would have to have been at least 18 years of age to fully participate in that First War -- this would make their birth year -18, placing them at about 48-50 years of age today during Cataclysm. Not old, but definitely past middle age.
If you wanted them to participate as a fully mature adult in the Second War, that event occurred at roughly year 6 or 7 in the timeline. For an 18 year old orc, this would place their birth at year -10 to -11. They would have been about 10 or 11 when traveling through the Dark Portal, and too young to participate in the First War -- but by the time the Second War hit, they'd be raring to participate, given the success of the First War. This would place them at about 42-45 years of age in Cataclysm -- middle aged by orc standards.
If you wanted them to reach maturity in the internment camps, you could safely say they were born in year 1, just after the First War's end -- possibly the result of orcish celebration due to their victory over Stormwind. They would enter the internment camps at age 7 or 8, and reach maturity just when Thrall showed up to free the orcs from the camps and lead them eventually to Kalimdor. This would also ensure their participation in the Third War -- they'd be just the right young and strong age to join the Horde armies at that point. In Cataclysm today, they'd be roughly 31-33 years of age. Not quite middle aged, but not terribly young either.
Sources for orc history
Luckily for orcs, there are a lot of novels out there surrounding orcish history. Lord of the Clans explains the rise of Thrall, but Rise of the Horde explains early orc history and the corruption of the orcish race at the hands of Kil'jaeden. The novel Tides of Darkness covers the Second War, and Beyond the Dark Portal explains events in Draenor following the aftermath of the Second War, including the destruction of Draenor into Outland as we know it today. As always, Wowpedia serves as an excellent resource for orc history, and the Know Your Lore columns have covered several areas of orc history as well as important figures in orc lore.
So what about players that want to play an orc from Draenor -- one that never made it through the Dark Portal? Your orc's life would be affected by the shattering of Draenor, making Beyond the Dark Portal a good choice for reading material. Or, if like Garrosh Hellscream you wish your orc to be Garadar-raised, your life would have been relatively quiet aside from the usual conflicts in Nagrand. Since the Alliance and Horde forces didn't travel through the newly reopened Dark Portal until year 26 in the timeline, you've only been a part of Thrall's Horde for 4-5 years -- and you know nothing of Thrall's way of thinking, but plenty of Garrosh's way.
For an orc living in the current timeline, life has always been about struggle and conflict -- whether conflict with the draenei back on Draenor, conflict with the humans of the First and Second Wars, struggle with living through imprisonment in the internment camps, or simply the struggle to survive in the relatively harsh lands of Durotar, an orc's life in current day Azeroth has never been easy. Whether or not it will continue that way is yet to be seen, but with Cataclysm and the rise of Garrosh Hellscream, there's definitely quite a lot to think about in terms of how your orc views the current Horde situation.
What with all the conflict and strife in orc history, it leaves a lot of room for players to play with -- is your orc bitter and jaded, angry at the human race? Are they tired of the struggle and conflict -- do they dream of a day when they can simply rest peacefully, and live a life that isn't haunted with the memories of war? Do they wish to put an end to the conflict with the other Azerothian races through violence, or through peace? In the end, it's all up to you -- but the orcs of Azeroth present a particularly rich canvas of possibilities to consider.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Phoenix Psaltery May 15th 2011 7:06PM
Something I have noticed regarding Orcs as player characters is eye color. My wife's main is an Orc Shaman, who has blue eyes. My main is an Orc Shaman as well, but his eyes are red. Would this be an indication that he partook of the drinking of demon blood back on Draenor, while she would be a younger Orc who missed out on or avoided that experience?
Eldoron May 16th 2011 8:59AM
Where did my comment go? Hmm anyways...
The corruption wasn't changing the original color of the eyes. It gave a red GLOW to them. Otherwise, this reddish-brownish eye color your character has is quite common among orcs. Blue eyes (like Thrall's) are believed to mean that the orc will do something memorable in his/her life.
Cody May 15th 2011 7:37PM
Fun fact: Orcs who drank the Blood of Mannoroth have an extended life span and stay healthier later in their life. Grom is an example of this as he was an old orc by the time Thrall found him and was still incredibly strong.
Tael May 16th 2011 4:52PM
Other fun fact: Grom *wasn't* actually all that old. At least, he has a son who is still referred to as "YOUNG Hellscream" (though, third fun fact, if you go by Blizzard's official timelines and books, Garrosh is OLDER than Thrall).
Stickney's timeline would also mean that Durotan and Draka would've been in their mid-60s or older when they had Thrall, BTW, since they were both around for the demon's blood ceremony and were seasoned members of the Horde even then.
Garina May 15th 2011 7:45PM
If I remember correctly from the Lord of the Clans story, Gul'dan ordered all orc children to be magically aged to add to their fighting strength. So if your orc was born between the defeat of the draenei and the First War, they could well have had about 10-15 years of their life stolen from them by the warlocks of the Shadow Council.
Baranbaykir May 16th 2011 1:40AM
This is true. You could roleplay an orc which is in appearance 30-40, but in thought processes of a 15-20 year old.
And hate or love the old Horde because of that. As next to the elders of the tribe were shocked by the warlocks drain life ability, some of our youngsters loved the ability of going to war with their peers. So not all middle-aged orcs have to be fiercely devoted to Thrall.
nevwyn May 15th 2011 8:08PM
My orcs tend to span all three generations and it tends to fit with the model followed here.
My Orc warlock is from the first war generation taught the arts as a youth on draenor drank the blood of Mannoroth basically sustained by magic bag of old bones and green leather. Not really Thrall's horde but since we can't be blackrock orcs what can you do, if you are going to be an old orc you might as well be with other old orcs.
My Shaman is 40ish, peon like learned to talk to the elements after Thrall founded Durotar, probably was a grunt or peon during the second war. After the second war ended and Durotar was being founded I figure most Grunts found time to take up other roles same with peons, explore new lands build new towns, learn new skills as you learn more about your new home and allies.
My Hunter and Warrior, are just outside the third option. Children of Durotar but old enough to have taken part in the Northrend campaign maybe the Draenor campaign if the horde was still sending troops as a kind of training tour well they built up forces in the north. They aren't fond of Garrosh but aren't the fiercely loyal to Thrall that my Shaman is. They feel about Garrosh how you would feel if you visited your childhood home after some one else has started to live in it. It is familiar as the bigger things are the same the kitchen, the toilet are where they were but the tree that you had a tire swing in now has a tree house and your bedroom was painted a different colour.
Kiwiya May 15th 2011 8:21PM
These timeline posts are really helpful. I like them! :)
C.Garcia May 16th 2011 4:29AM
I disagree with the aspect of your timeline regarding 41-100 year old orcs. First of all, in conflicts with the events of Rise of the Horde. In the story, both Durotan and Draka were children before the Kil'jaeden began corrupting the orcs. Yet, as seen in Lord of the Clans, their child, Thrall, wasn't born until after Ogrim Doomhammer became warchief of the Horde, which took place around the end of the first war. Based on the timeline you gave in this article, Durotan and Draka would have had to be over 120 years old when they conceived Thrall.
Also, you forgot to mention that the Orcs of the old Horde used Warlock magic to force children as young as five to age into adults, around 18ish.
Shinae May 16th 2011 11:03AM
So about how old would Thrall be now? Almost 40?
I would also ask how old Garona is, but I guess being part hu-, I mean, draenei would mean that she could have been born over 100 years ago and still look young. (I'm still disappointed that she doesn't make an appearance in the Cho'gal encounter.)
While the warlocks certainly aged the children of the prominent clans, there were some clans that were marginalized in their Horde membership and possibly did not get all the "benefits" that core clans got. For example, the Thunderlord clan was forbidden to go through the Portal. (This also caused them to rebel and then get slaughtered. I found this fascinating, so my shaman is one of the few Thunderlord survivors.)
Tael May 16th 2011 4:52PM
Thrall would, as far as I can tell, be in his early to mid 30s now. Even if you skip over the more rampant stupidities in Lord of the Clans (no, Golden, I just don't believe that Thrall was the size of a grown human man or ready to begin serious combat training at the age of 6), he'd have been still in his teens when he escaped Durnholde, hooked up with his clan, and got tapped as Doomhammer's successor.
Which leads to a whole other rant on this obsession with heroes who are still more or less kids, which is pretty rampant throughout WoW lore (Thrall, Jaina, Arthas, Turalyon, the nelf trio in Knaak's books...) but I won't touch on that. Except to say that 31, or 33 for that matter, is not even "not quite" middle-aged.
Sarog May 16th 2011 5:22AM
"An orc at 40 years of age lived in pretty much the prime of all of recent orc history -- and would also likely be fiercely devoted to Thrall."
Don't you think it is a bit presumptuous to make such widely sweeping statements? The personal loyalties and political ideology of an orc roleplaying character can't just all be lumped in the same box, especially when the statement is not necessarily true at all. There is a tremendous depth of lore to orc history and culture, and therefore there is a lot of room for political complexity. You can't really tell people what their character's loyalties *should* be based on their age. A character who has lived through the bulk of orcish history can make up his own mind about how he feels about those experiences. An orc of a certain age could come from one of several different clans, backgrounds, wartime experiences, and political points of view... and those aren't all going to line up neatly to make for a loyalty-chart that says "if you are this old, you are fiercly loyal to Thrall", or "if you are this young, you must be loyal to Garrosh". People aren't simple, you cannot reduce an entire age category to the same set of opinions, and there are characters in the canon that evidence other points of view.
In case that sounds too argumentative... I think this is a good article, and even though people are bound to disagree with your interpretation of the timeline, this is a very good subject to explore just because of how difficult and convoluted the orc timeline is. But I think you should be careful not to use a presumptuously authoritative tone when making flimsy generalizations.
Eldoron May 16th 2011 9:01AM
You were in an internment camp, bathing in lethargy... and then this young orc came and liberated your people, and literally lead it to a new home... yeah why would they be devoted to Thrall?
/sarcasm off
Sarog May 16th 2011 9:46AM
@ Eldoran; That's kind of a strawman, but hey I'll work with it. Let's discuss it further if my point is at all unclear.
Yes, Thrall had a massive role in how orc history unfolded, and his effect on their culture has been prolific. But not every orc is going to have the same experiences and the same opinions about their racial history, and you can't say that an orc of age group X is going to be "fiercely loyal" to Thrall anymore than you can say that a 40 year old woman is "likely" to vote Republican... because there is much more to consider than age. People are more complicated than that, and orc history and culture is more complicated than that.
Let's consider how an orc who has lived through all the lows of history might dislike Thrall. Heck, let's take a canon character and consider what his life might have been like, and thereby demonstrate that an orc roleplayer playing an orc of 40+ who is not fiercely loyal to Thrall isn't breaking some kind of unwritten rule.
Overlord Agmar was a pretty important npc in Northrend. We can assume, by his white hair, that he is old enough to have lived through all the important bits of orc history. We also know that, despite not being a wet-behind-the-ears youngblood, Agmar is 100% on board the Garrosh train. How can we justify this?
What if Agmar was from the Warsong Clan? As an old Warsong orc, he would have been raised in one of the most militant groups of orcs, and spent a great deal of his life following the audacious, headstrong and reckless leadership of Grom Hellscream. As a Warsong orc, he would come from an environment wherein Grom Hellscream was considered an ideal type of orcish leader. As a Warsong orc, he would have sat out the First War and most of the Second War, instead living in hardship on a dying Draenor that was increasingly desolate and hostile to life. As a Warsong orc, he not have been placed in internment alongside the other clans, but would instead have eked out a life of hardship in the wilds of Lordaeron, spending even more years living in hardship in the wilderness. He would have lived through those years, when Warsong infants rarely survived the Lordaeron winter, enduring the slow, creeping death of his clan against all the odds, probably surviving at times on nothing more than rats and boiled leather. And, as a Warsong orc, he would have endured those years without succumbing to the same lethargy that plagued the orcs in internment... largely due to Hellscream's passion and strength of will.
Perhaps, at the conclusion of the Third War, this Warsong orc would have thought "Finally, we have a new home, and we can build a new future. Our times of hardship are done, and I will not have to watch one more orcish infant die from hunger in a Barren wilderness". And then... Thrall settles his people in Durotar, preaching that the orcs have to atone through hardship and suffering. The Warsong orc has flashbacks of those years in Hellfire peninsula, of the wilds of Lordaeron, of hunger and hardship and a fearful, uncertain future for his people... and he sees it all coming back. Everything his people could need is conveniently nearby in the bounty of Ashenvale, but instead of settling there our Warsong orc sees that Thrall keeps them confined to a wasteland and puts the best interest of the orcs second to the capricious favour of foreign powers.
And then, this Warsong orc hears that the son of Hellscream is alive, and sees him in the flesh when he returns. Garrosh preaches non-compromise, has grand ideas of the destiny of the orcs to thrive rather than to endure in hardship, and he leads like Grom would lead. This elderly Warsong orc, because of all that he has seen, endured and lived through, and because of his clan culture and wartime experience, is likely to feel great loyalty to Garrosh and at uninspired loyalty towards Thrall. And if a roleplayer played his orc like this, he wouldn't be wrong for breaking some unwritten rule.
With a bit of knowledge about orc history and culture, you could concoct a similar backstory for a Blackrock orc, a Shattered Hand orc, even for a Frostwolf orc, and develop your character in a way that explores the political and ideological opposition to Thrall. Because orc history and culture has so much substance, you need to consider all sorts of things like clan affiliation and wartime experience before you can presume to know the mind of an individual orc. "Mature orcs = Thrall, Young orcs = Garrosh" is a massive oversimplification of a diverse and complicated racial group, and it you just can't apply to the individual roleplaying character as a presumptuous rule.
Shinae May 16th 2011 10:47AM
I certainly agree that there would be many young orcs who would favor Thrall, as they were raised with him as warchief. They've come to expect a warchief to act like Thrall because they don't know any different.
Also, lots of mature orcs could be in favor or Garrosh. Sarog gives a good example, but to put it more broadly, some old orcs long for the days or glory. For the older ones, they were not sorry for razing Stormwind, and they would do it again if they had the chance. For the less old ones, they want to punish the humans for their years of imprisonment instead of dying honorably in war.
So yeah, age doesn't matter for political leanings; it's up to the individual orc's interpretation of personal experience.
EidlonImp May 16th 2011 1:37PM
Your specific examples are good, bit they're also very specific. The timeline suggestions paint characterization in broad strokes, hence the phrase "likely" to be a supporter of Thrall.
To revisit your earlier example, without any information beyond age, it might be very fair to say "anime 40 year old woman is likely to be a republican," though I have no idea what the actual American voter demographic information is. Gather more information, such as income, ethnicity, education, place of residence, and you will be able to use statistics to predict political leanings with greater accuracy, which is in a way what your examples did. Very specific information, contextualized, explains a political view.
There are orcs, even many level, in that age range, who might disagree with Thrall, or at least be ambivalent. but if it's fair to say that Thrall recieved a great deal of support from orcs of that generation then it is typical for level of that generation to be loyal to Thrall.
Sarog May 16th 2011 1:50PM
Oh sure, I get ya. But even saying so much as "likely" is an unfounded generalization, and in an article like this it makes for an authoritative claim of some kind of floating, unwritten rule in how one makes plays one's character. My point is that, given the sheer differences between the different clans and their histories, any orc of any age group is "likely" to be of one of several political orientations, not just one, and that you can't make any claim any way without being more specific to demographics.
EidlonImp May 16th 2011 4:50PM
Err, it's not an unfounded generalization. It's a generalization founded in the realities of the period between the second and third war. The orcs who entered Azeroth during the second war, especially late in the second war, saw their leaders engage in a series of elaborate and unsuccessful gambits, ultimatelyosing the war and the dark portal. They then succumbed to a lethargy brought on by withdrawal from fel magics. In came a daring and brave young warrior, Doomhammer's son, Durotan's student, able to command the respect of Hellscream.
He led a broken and dejected group of imprisoned or scattered refugees in a successful bid for freedom and spearheaded the foundation of a new city-state and a return to a sense of both racial and nationalistic pride.
It's no more controversial to say that Thrall has the respect of his peers who lived through this period than it would be to say that America hailed Washington or Eisenhower as war heroes after the American revolution or World War II respectively.
It's very fair to say that this is the default attitude, and that those who disagree will tend to be in the minority, at least within this demographic.
Tael May 16th 2011 4:57PM
I think it's quite fair to say "orcs who are in this age group and have had these life experiences are likely to have the following political leanings".
It's the same as the real world - statistically women in academics (like me) are likely to vote Democrat. Doesn't mean all of us do, but there's a definite trend.
C.Garcia May 16th 2011 5:55PM
Thrall was an infant when Doomhammer was warchief, so sometime during the second war. That means he was born circa 6 or 8 years after the opening of the dark portal. According to the official timeline (last updated August 7, 2010), World of Warcraft began 25 years after the opening of the dark portal, with each expansion happening one year latter, about 28 for the start of Cataclysm. So, officially, that makes Thrall somewhere between 20 and 22 years old.