Officers' Quarters: Wrath of the orange stick

WoW has had a fairly limited number of legendary items over the years. Some took a monumental effort (and a bit of luck) to put together; others just fell into our hands. Either way, obtaining one has always been a big deal.
Patch 4.2 is rectifying a longstanding omission by offering caster DPSers their own, exclusive legendary weapon: Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest. Sure, you could count Atiesh, but only a handful of guilds around the world ever assembled one, and it could be used by healers as well. Needless to say, casters are hyped, and every caster wants one. Cue the drama:
Hi Scott,Unfortunately, only one caster in your guild will have the thrill of being the first to complete the quest line. Your guild might be able to assemble more than one down the road, but that's irrelevant right now. Everyone wants to be first. How can we single out one player for this amazing reward?
I just wanted to suggest a topic for the next Officers' Quarters: How to choose who gets Dragonwrath. The casters in our group all want and think they deserve the staff, but we're having trouble agreeing on how to decide. Raw DPS, seniority, voting amongst the group, and even chance have been suggested.
Thanks for any help!
Legendaries of this type, in my opinion, should fall outside of any given loot system that your guild uses. The officers should be the ones to decide who gets the first crack at it.
Disqualifications
Before we talk about who should be eligible, let's talk about who shouldn't be eligible.
- Anyone who has already earned a legendary in your guild. For example, if a warrior had Shadowmourne in Wrath and then switched to a mage for Cataclysm, he or she should be ineligible for Dragonwrath. Legendaries are just too rare. Spread the love around.
- Anyone who recently joined. It goes without saying.
- Anyone who has poor or inconsistent raid attendance. Assembling the weapon requires quite a few BOP drops from the Firelands, and if that person isn't around, he or she can't make progress toward the staff.
Criteria
1. Guild loyalty. This should be one of the top considerations, in my opinion, far beyond where a player lands on the DPS charts. We've all heard nightmare stories of players whose guild hands them a legendary, and then they take off with it. The player who receives your first Dragonwrath should be someone who's been a longtime member and who has never wavered in his or her commitment to the community.
Loyalty is not necessarily seniority. Plenty of players stay in guilds they don't necessarily feel loyal to, either for lack of better options or because they're too lazy to find a new one. Officers who pay attention can tell the difference.
2. Guild service. Dragonwrath should go to a player who is a major asset to your guild, a player who is virtually irreplaceable -- a dedicated and active officer, a critical raid leader, or an ordinary member who plays a key role within the guild. Someone who goes above and beyond to ensure the guild succeeds should be at the top of your list.
Rewards like Dragonwrath are best used as motivators for players to do more for the guild and as special thank-you gifts to the players who already put in the time and effort.
3. Dedication to the role. The only thing worse than someone who gquits after getting a legendary is something who decides to switch mains. For that reason, it's preferable to offer a weapon like Dragonwrath to someone who's been playing the caster DPS role for a long time, not someone who just switched to warlock last week. Make sure the person you choose has no intention of switching classes/roles.
4. Intention to raid moving forward. It's never a pleasant conversation to have, and it's possible the person's feelings or life situation will change in the future. Still, it's a good idea to make sure the player you pick will be raiding with you through the tiers of Cataclysm when Dragonwrath will still be relevant. Don't just assume that they will.
5. DPS and player skill. I've saved this for last because I think it does deserve a small amount of consideration, but I don't think it should be a major element of the choice. Just don't put this staff in the hands of a player who stands in fire all the time or who can't keep up with the tanks on the meters. If a player meets all the criteria above and his or her skill is on par with most of the guild, they should be a candidate. A decision like this goes beyond min-maxing -- the long-term health of the guild should be the top concern.
Tiebreakers
Even with all these tough criteria, your officers still may not be able to choose. Consider yourselves lucky that you have so many helpful and loyal players!
Before you come up with your own tiebreaker, approach all the possible candidates and tell them who is being considered. Give them each the opportunity to decline, whether because they're not sure about their attendance in the future or because they think that someone else deserves it over them (hey, it could happen ...).
If that doesn't narrow the field, then I always think that RNG should decide. Debating it endlessly among the officers is only going to lead to conflict and possibly hurt feelings. Don't let the situation devolve into a political campaign. Just bring the candidates together and have them roll for priority. That way, no one can argue with the result.
The other possible tiebreaker that's difficult to argue with is attendance. However, you must have actual attendance data. You can't ballpark this kind of thing unless the difference is obvious to everyone. Raw numbers are best.
Of course, players can still argue about whom the officers deem eligible. It can't be denied: Items with orange names are drama magnets like nothing else in WoW. You're not likely to get past this choice unscathed. But hey -- at least this time, everyone gets a pet!
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
splodesondeath May 16th 2011 5:51PM
Sigh, I lust for this thing. For so long, I have wanted to get a sweet legendary staff. It's fabulous!
Unfortunately, Archimonde-US Horde-side is next to impossible to find a good weekend raiding guild on - every attempt that seems to go so well falls apart after a week or two.
Guess I'll be waiting a long time before I can get myself one of these, if ever.
Me May 16th 2011 6:04PM
Same way we did our last Legendary.
Set a high 60 day attendance cut-off, full time raider who has been with us at least 6 months. We expect people to tell us if they are considering or even thinkinga bout quitting.
Then, usually, the officers vote, with any Officer who is eligible abstaining from the vote (i.e., as the only officer who is a dps caster, I won't vote). We may solicit feedback for nominations.
If people have split votes, or think two candidates are equal, we'll roll off. I.e., we may end up with multiple officers saying "I don't have a principled reason to decide between these two or three". It's quite likely we'll have several eligible people and end up with a roll off. I can think of 3 offhand who have had 90%+ attendance since Cata launch.
Typically, we've had 1-3 front runners. So we've had both pure officer-decision as well as roll-offs.
Heremod May 16th 2011 6:07PM
I should add that we've never actually had an officer eligible for it :-). Our only officer who healed on the mace was actually a DPS section lead; we had no melee dps officers for Shadowmourne, although the first recipient of 'Mourne was made an officer after receiving the weapon - because the same things that qualify you for one thing tend to qualify you for the other (high dedication, high attendance, high knowledge, team-orientation). It helped that said new-officer was not a friend of any of the other officers before joining the guild, so there was no bias there.
leebuttrill May 16th 2011 6:17PM
I have to say that DPS does matter. If everyone is within 1-2 K average DPS then take it out. But if you have 3 casters like we do and 2 of them come in at around 18K while the third is at an average of just 12K, then it is worth a pause. 2 casters are spending time and energy to make sure their spec/gear/enchants/gems are just right while the other is just going with the flow. It is another measure of dedication IMO and should be considered.
Revynn May 16th 2011 7:48PM
I wouldn't call DPS a measurement of dedication. Another warlock in my guild is consistently at the bottom of the charts, often below the tanks. He doesn't stand in fire, he has over 90% attendance, leads our 2nd group when we split our 25 into 10's, has been in the guild since Naxx, always follows mechanics and does his job without complaint. He's always the guy to kick you down with consumables if you ran out, pass on upgrades for other people, and happily sit out for the night if we have 26 people on. He's one of the most dedicated people we have, he just doesn't put out good numbers. We've tried figuring out what is causing the issue, we know he's frustrated by it, but something for him just doesn't click. IMO, he's as deserving of it as anyone else in the guild, but if offered I know he would pass.
I'm greedy, so I want mine first. But when the second Branch drops I will have no issue with giving it to him.
Lissanna May 16th 2011 10:27PM
The people who prioritize DPS numbers over things like dedication are the ones who will see their guild member with the legendary transfer off the server a week after they get it...
swelt May 17th 2011 7:00AM
I agree with this. In a tiebreaker scenario, DPS is a factor. You WILL get resentment within the guild if you pass over other people that have similar levels of attendance/loyalty/etc and give it to someone that consistantly underperforms. I also agree with the article: it shouldn't be the prime consideration... but that's not the scenario leebuttrill described at all.
blessthemartyrguild May 16th 2011 6:28PM
I am a gm and I have yet to decide where it will go, when it was announced there were only two legitimate candidates in my mind and now we have 3 may be as many as 5 before its crunch time for me to make the call. Stats and their weights will weigh in, dps, overall performance will come into consideration as well. While everyone I will consider has 0 flight risk(all have been raiding for me for 5 months or longer as of right now)it will be a very tough choice, in the end I will be having them all submit to me both why they should and shouldn't get it and then decide from there.
John May 16th 2011 7:00PM
I can think of only one man who could possibly receive this first, in the end. My guild's co-GM has been not only my most loyal member (Having left only once due to a large error in my judgement, though he promptly came back and refuses to leave now), but my most supportive, through good and bad, through in-game and real life. He's been pretty much leading all of the guild raids since I quit doing the job myself due to organizational stress, and has been my check in balance and personal advisor for tough decisions. He pays attention during raids and knows what he's doing, and does plenty of research. He's developed a number of alts since Cata, but he's always stuck with his mage throughout when it comes to raiding, unless we absolutely need a tank.
I know for a fact that he would not leave my guild. He's done it once, and has regretted it ever since. At this point he's made it one of his primary goals to not only keep this guild alive and thriving, but also to push us forward to places we haven't been before. If it hadn't been for him, we likely wouldn't even be raiding right now.
Of the hundreds of players that have been through my guild, and the hundreds of players I've known in my 6 or 7 years (including alpha/beta testing) of playing WoW, he is the one I would pick above all else.
Yet it is not up to me. It's his choice. He can still decline such an offer, and he wants to. He wants to give the staff to his fellow mage, one who he has worked beside since she first joined the guild. His "wonder twin" as he says. If anything, that is more incentive for why he deserves it, because he is such a selfless man, and he understands that if he declines it now, or can't get it now, he'll receive it in his own time.
These are the same reasons he's my freaking Co-GM lol.
If he ever sees this, he'll know I'm speaking of him :) I hope he's embarrassed.
Katherine May 16th 2011 7:58PM
Don't forget some guilds opt to sell theirs to the highest bidder, same as they do for every other piece of loot! Not any guild I raid with, but they do exist.
leebuttrill May 16th 2011 7:59PM
I understand the argument in that particular case and would use the other metrics for dedication to outway the dps issue. Just saying it can be used as one measure. For my guild, we run 10m with 3 casters and the choice will come down to me or the mage. Seeing that Blizz chose crit (for now) instead of haste or mastery, it will likely go to the fire mage over me (the destro lock).
As a fellow lock, I am curious what he is doing wrong. Unless his gear is really subpar, a lock should at least be keeping up with mages on single target dps (destro or Affli vs Fire). Is he forgetting to check include pet damage in his recount :D
Revynn May 16th 2011 8:28PM
Ahhh, orange loot drama. The QQ will be . . .
*sunglasses*
Legendary.
YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
Sorry, I had to.
/shame.
MistressKatalyna May 16th 2011 11:23PM
First one is going to our fire mage - an officer in the guild, who has phenomenal attendance, amazing dps, and does heaps to help me (GM and Raid Leader) out. He totally deserves it.
Second one will be mine (Elemental Shaman.) Third will go to the resto/boomkin, if we get that lucky.
Solitha May 17th 2011 1:29AM
For those in an odd niche, like my own guild, end-game raiders without attendance policies...
We use a modified SK loot list. When the Branch drops, it'll be distributed like any other piece of loot, per our loot rules.
People who obtain the Branch will get put on a list in order of getting it. If a Seething Cinder drops, it goes to the first person on the Branch's list who is present.
swelt May 17th 2011 6:57AM
I agree with this. In a tiebreaker scenario, DPS is a factor. You WILL get resentment within the guild if you pass over other people that have similar levels of attendance/loyalty/etc and give it to someone that consistantly underperforms. I also agree with the article: it shouldn't be the prime consideration... but that's not the scenario leebuttrill described at all.
swelt May 17th 2011 7:01AM
oops, mis-reply
Rédßèárd May 17th 2011 9:38AM
Noob question (sorry) what is RNG? ( "If that doesn't narrow the field, then I always think that RNG should decide.")
The Dewd May 17th 2011 10:29AM
RNG is Random Number Generator - meaning that a /roll will be used to determine who gets it (i.e. let WoW's internal RNG make the decision so it's fair)
thebitterfig May 17th 2011 10:16AM
So in my old guild, back pre-Cata when we'd heard there was likely to be a DPS staff legendary, we had this one Elemental Shaman. He didn't want it. In his mindset, a shaman without a shield was just wrong.
Mstrwiggles May 17th 2011 2:05PM
I think another good determining factor is whoever collects the 25 [Living Embers] (which we can assume are the reagent drops in Firelands) and the 3 Sands of Time (which I assume will be expensive/hard to get) for the quest-line first. Assuming these items will be purchasable via Valor points and/or gold, whoever dishes out the most time/money to get these should have a shot at starting out sooner (granted the raid is doing Heroic modes (which is what I assume is required)).