I agree totally.

Wrath in my eyes was a huge time grind, with absolutely no real effort or skill required to succeed. Heroic 5 mans were a joke, much of the raiding was a joke. Pugging the great ultimate raid of the expansion had been basically unprecedented in WoW.

Now ZA and ZG are here to provide a hard mode for 5 man content (which I have only actually done once each as I am too busy exploring other content first). When Cata first arrived, the normal heroic dungeons were hard as well, which I enjoyed. There's heroic raids as well for when my guild feels ready.

And I agree with your assessment of guilds wiping endlessly on Magmaw. That tells me that a fair few people in that raid just aren't really trying.

Ouch downvote burn, I guess that makes me a minority then.

I really am at a loss to explain why people are having such a hard time in this tier, I enjoy it a lot because for the first time since BC I am using a much wider range of utility spells rather then just spamming 3 buttons.

I would get bored in wrath after raiding for an hour because all i was doing was making up the numbers, now it actually feels like an achievement when my guild finally gets it together and downs a tough boss for the first time.

Don't get me wrong I'm no elitest hardcore player, I'm fairly casual and with 2 jobs my play time is limited. I've managed to go 11/12 so far in normal I really dont understand why people are having so much trouble or feeling like this is a job, Perhaps wrath gave everyone the wrong impression.