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6-01-2011 @ 2:20PM
While the Glyph of SW:D is nice, I can't really drop Dispersion for it. Right now I'm talented into every mana return or regen thing I can take, including Dark Archangel, and using them all on cooldown ... and I *still* have to stop and drink more often than I should! My shadow priest feels more mana management oriented than my arcane mage, a spec actually *built* around mana management!Am I doing something wrong here? Would you consider writing something on effective spriest mana management?
6-01-2011 @ 2:26PM
If you are using AA and SWD occasionally during a fight and proccing replenishment by casting MB after VT, then there is no way you would be running out of mana unless your gear is too low for the instances you are runnning.
6-01-2011 @ 2:45PM
Are you making sure to use Angel, your Shadow Fiend, SW:D, replenish, dispersion (after the fight is good, stops you from sitting down)? You should technically be able to start a fight at 1% mana (exagerating I know) and be at 100% after the fight.
6-01-2011 @ 3:02PM
I think for so long Spriests have been used to saving their Shadowfiend till the Lust(/hero) having such a strict CD on it in the past. Now that we have talents that can lower the CD DRAMATICALLY, you should get used to liberal use of it. Especially with our next tier's 75 sec reduced CD. Expect to use it at least twice in an encounter (if used fairly early) for full benefit.Replenishment, Archangel, Masochism, Dispersion, and Shadow Fiend.Shadow priests have 5, count them:1, 2, 3, 4, FIVE methods of mana regen that you can use in shadowform alone. Add on Hymn of Hope if you've use up the rest, and possible Arcane Torrent if you're a Blood Elf, and you have no excuse to be oom.I'm sorry if I'm now coming off as kind of an ass, but I'm getting really tired of hearing other Spriests complain about mana management. We have more tools than anyone else to keep our bars full.
6-01-2011 @ 3:25PM
You definitely shouldn't be going OOM if you're using SW:D as an execute with Glyph of Spirit Tap. Try to always get the killing blow on mobs so that it procs.
6-01-2011 @ 3:29PM
All of the mana regain abilities that spriests have rely on maximum mana. The more intellect you have the easier time you will have. If you picked up all talents and glyphs that help with mana and are still having mana problems then maybe you're using your mana inefficiently, things like recasting dots on targets that are about to die, spamming mind shear or mind spike takes alot out of your blue bar. Sprinkle in SW:D throughout the fight if you're having trouble with mana along with what others mentioned and you should be seeing better results.
6-01-2011 @ 3:30PM
I'll take on mana management again, probably after 4.2 hits and I know what our regen is going to look like moving forward. For now, though, consider this:Base mana regen 5% per 5sReplenishment 1% per 10sSW: Death 10% per 10sDispersion 36% per 120sShadowfiend 30% per ~180sArchangel 20% per 120sCombined, these six (unglyphed!) mechanics can give you back ~308% of your max mana every 2 minutes.The question then becomes:1) Which of these six mechanics are you not taking full advantage of?or, alternatively:2) What the heck are you doing to spend 308% of your max mana over 2 minutes?
6-01-2011 @ 3:44PM
^Mass Dispel spamming imo.
6-01-2011 @ 4:30PM
If he's running out of mana, it's more like 408% of his maximum mana over 2 minutes.The only reason I could imagine for Spriest to be running out of mana early is if they're reapplying dots way too early and often or if they're mind spiking everything in sight. I did have a chat with a guildie of mine that was doing the latter. She said that she was having trouble with mana, but she didn't like using dots because her dps wasn't as high. It was just a matter of her being new to the class, having a very, very wrong idea of a proper rotation, and a misunderstanding of how the mastery works.If any spriest is still having mana issues, they should use Facemelter or some other addon that will remind them to use SW: Death once they drop below a certain mana threshold. Better yet, get one that reminds you to use all of your regen cooldowns. Dispersion should be a damage mitigation tool before anything else. You can get more mana regen from 4 SW: Deaths and still be causing damage. Use it when you can't be dpsing the boss, sure, but for the most part that button should be gathering dust.
6-02-2011 @ 12:27AM
Devouring Plague is a beast on the mana-reserves, and if you're using it too often on short-lived mobs, combined with multi-dotting, it'll add up fast. On bosses? No real excuse, but I can see it for trash.That said, regardless of whether or not you're running out of mana, it is an interesting point that Shadow Priests not only have more tools for mana management than anyone, they have to use them all. I don't mean that as a good or bad statement, but merely something which I find interesting.
6-02-2011 @ 1:22AM
"Shadow Priests not only have more tools for mana management than anyone, they have to use them all."As well they should! Aside from dispersion, all our mana regen mechanics dish out damage, with shadow fiend and AA actually INCREASING our dps. Other "pure" dps classes have penalties for their mana regen: Life tap (-1 GCD and -health) and Evocation (-whatever the channel time is) both require the Dps to stop dealing damage for a bit while they fill up.
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