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6-03-2011 @ 7:45PM
"Raid leaders are under a lot of stress and pressure...but a vast majority of that has to deal with the social dynamics of any given raid group."Really? It would seem that our guild leader probably spends 1% of the time dealing with the social dynamics of any group, whether it's the group currently in gchat, our resident group of PvPers or our weekend raid groups. I find the last half of that statement very peculiar and wonder if maybe a bit too much personal emotion has clouded this article.In our guild, yes, we know the fights well now, and well enough where we could talk through fights, but we're not there to yap. Yes, there's chit chat, but if your raid leader is telling or asking you to shut up--doesn't matter which--you're probably talking too much. The ability to remind a player to interrupt/don't stand in crap/move here is super valuable, but you can't really do that if someone else is talking at the wrong time, or in some cases, constantly talking. I personally detest having to sift through three voices in vent trying to talk over one another. I'm guessing that when pilots of a commercial airliner are taking off from a runway, or landing the plane, they're probably not chit-chatting about their personal lives with each other privately, or with the passengers via loudspeaker. I think of that as the boss fight. When you're in the air and on auto-pilot (trash mobs), go ahead and talk, but within reason. The cockpit (Ventrilo) is tiny, and both the pilot (raid leader) and the co-pilot(s) (raiders) are going get real tired of each other if they aren't afforded time to even think because of the constant babbling.
6-03-2011 @ 8:46PM
Until you have been a raid/guild leader, then it is difficult to know exactly what to expect. I do not mean this disrespectfully, but it is the honest truth. Even in guilds that seemingly lack any outward social drama, it's there. It's always there.A 25-man raid probably consists of around 30 raiders, do you honestly think that all of them get along perfectly? That none of them have issues or problems with each other? Doesn't happen. People may not be sniping at each other over vent, on the forums, or in chat, but I'll bet you money there's a good deal of side chat rooms for select people and whispers going around. As a raid leader, you are constantly bombarded with tells from people; especially if things aren't going according to plan. You wipe, and you'll get at least five different people telling you exactly whose fault it was and why. That's the way it goes. They could be right, they could be wrong, it doesn't matter. You still have to address these things. Superiority complexes develop easily and cause huge rifts between players. While this piece was written from my perspective, it isn't emotional nor indicative of any issues that I have now or may have had in the past. I no long raid/guild lead, but I still love the people I was guilded with at the time, just as much as I love the guild I am in now. While being a raid/guild leader was stressful, it never stopped me from having fun. If it had, I would have quit doing it. One last thing, I think you misunderstood the article. I wasn't talking about chatting during encounters, nor anything that happens during encounters at all. This is strictly generalized, trash raiding. No bosses involved.
6-03-2011 @ 9:04PM
I think you missed the point, obviously he wouldn't fit into your raid group but that's not to say there isn't a raid group that would work for him. Our raid group has a nice mixture of both types I think, some people know just the time when a well placed joke will cut the tension, get us all out of our heads and back into the game. And one of them is our raid leader.
6-04-2011 @ 2:09AM
I elected to not include the fact that I have been a guild leader and lead raids in my initial post because when all was said and done, I didn't feel that it added any extra weight to what I was trying to say. In fact, it detracted from it.Take away the terribad pilot analogy at the end. Forget that. But to retort and insinuate that "that just doesn't happen"--meaning that raid groups who get along are ultra rare--is so short-sighted. They exist. There are many. In fact, given the comments I've read since my initial post, it seems there are many who share my own experience. But that's beside the point, I suppose.
6-04-2011 @ 9:31AM
I would hope that most raid groups get along! If they didn't, I doubt that they would remain together for any length of time. Getting along and not having issues with people are not mutually exclusive. I'd argue that it's merely human nature. In such a large group of people, there will be conflicting personalities, there will be those handful of people that just don't see eye to eye and possibly don't even "like" each other. When it comes to opinions of strategy, wipes, and roles, people are going to disagree. People are going to have different styles of humor, and people are going to be offended by different thing. It's absolutely the raid leaders job to make sure that none of these things blow out of proportion, that small little disagreements don't explode into all out drama. Unaddressed, they easily can. A raid that lacks drama almost always does so because it has fantastic leadership, not simply because everyone in the raid are best of friends. Even friends have tiffs. As a personal example of what I mean; when I first joined the guild that I'm currently in, I wasn't entirely talkative and I wasn't around all too much outside of raids. I take a while to warm up to people, and I have alts on more severs than I count; nothing was wrong, it's just the way I am. Our raid leader, though, thought that I might be uncomfortable, he was worried that perhaps the way people joke and talk made me uncomfortable, so he asked me privately if everything as okay. He wanted to ensure that I wasn't being offended by anyone. I wasn't, but if that had been the case then he would have just easily avoided any drama from starting well before it became an issue. That's what makes truly wonderful raid leaders, and that's how guilds avoid massive amounts of drama. You don't wait for things to reach a boiling point, you notice the spark that's lighting the fires and douse them before they can even start to bubble.
6-08-2011 @ 4:21AM
Tyler's on the money, it's generally true. I used to be co-GM (the other ones were 1) a psychopath, not exaggerating, and 2) a really chill dude who ignored confrontation) and I got every snippet of social drama coming my way to deal with. Now I'm just a regular member of another guild, but good friends with our raid leader, and he constantly has to put out fires of social drama and hates it.So yes, you're the exception, not the rule I'm afraid :(
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