Encrypted Text: A rogue's resumé

I feel bad for all of the guild leaders who are looking for rogues right now. As the least-played class in the game, we're already pretty scarce. The fact that we're usually invisible doesn't help the situation, either. Have you seen the frenzy that gets into people during Pilgrim's Bounty? Everyone is roaming the streets with their Turkey Shooters, looking for rogues to snipe. They start by denying that there's a rogue shortage, claiming that they'll find us eventually. After a few days of being unable to find a dwarf rogue, they get angry and start cursing us rogues for staying in Stealth all the time. Shortly after, they start bargaining, offering us large sums of gold to just show ourselves for a moment.
The truth is that regardless of how well we're performing at the moment, rogues are still in demand, due to short supply. Guilds both big and small are looking for assassins and shades to join their rosters. I have personally interviewed several rogue candidates for my own guild, and unfortunately, I am incredibly strict when reviewing their applications. You might be able to trick some hunter into thinking that you're great by swapping to a combat spec and posting your Halfus parse, but that won't convince a vigilant rogue. In order to prove yourself amongst your fellow rogue brethren, you need to compose your curriculum mortem. It's like a curriculum vitae, but with death instead of life. Get it? Rogues kill stuff? Okay, I'll leave the bad puns to Christian Belt.
I want to see damage
While guild and raid leaders have several things to consider when reviewing rogue applicants, damage is usually the first thing that's inspected. If you are working on joining a new guild, you should present a few World of Logs parses with your application. I've seen rogues post stats like "I can do 10k on a target dummy," even though numbers like that are meaningless. I want to see your damage reports from fights that actually matter, especially if they're the same fights that you'd be doing if you got the spot. While taking a screenshot and posting your Recount or Skada window might impress your friends, leaders want to see a full WoL parse of a fight. Damage done is one thing, but we want to be able to review your interrupts, damage taken, and other key stats.
Start parsing every single fight you do. You can parse heroic dungeons, Baradin Hold, and any raid bosses that you can currently kill. If you're looking to join a starting raid guild without much experience, you can even join a PUG and get a few boss kills that way. As I've mentioned before, damage done actually isn't the most important indicator of a rogue's potential. A rogue applicant usually has far less gear than a rogue that's already in the guild. While I'll review your Armory to make sure you're gemming, enchanting, and reforging properly, the quality of the gear is not that important unless it will hold you back completely.
The better way to check a rogue's performance is to look at his damage breakdown and uptime. I want to see that he's using the right rotation, that he's using cooldowns properly, and that he's not standing in fire or ignoring interrupt duties. I can gear out a talented rogue quickly, but it takes far longer to teach a lazy one. If you can't show me a few parses that prove that you're on the right track, I won't waste my time reading the rest of your application. If you can't get any raid experience at all, you can even post a parse of you beating up a target dummy. Emphasize that you're trying to show off your rotation and not your overall damage.
Preparation isn't just a talent
When you're applying to a guild, it's typically because you're looking to move up in the world. Rogues who have conquered heroic dungeons are looking to break into the raiding scene, and rogues who have beat all of the normal raids are looking to try the heroic encounters. Because you can't experience content you haven't done, it's common to underestimate what's required to move to the next level of raiding.
I see so many rogues who join new guilds and then get burned out after a week of wiping. Dungeon-hardened rogues aren't used to spending more than a few attempts on a single boss, while rogues facing heroic bosses are unprepared for the amount of blood that goes into learning the game's most difficult encounters. Whatever level you're at now, realize that the people at the next level spend even more time wiping to bosses than you do.
There are several intangibles that are crucial to your assessment when applying to a new guild. The guild and raid leaders want to make sure that you're willing to stick it out through thick and thin, and they want to be able to rely on you to show up regularly. A raid leader needs to know that you're not going to be the weak link in his battle plan and that you can understand complex assignments. A guild leader is going to ask himself if you can be trusted. In order to ease your raid leader's doubts, you need to prove you're ready for the next level.
Overcommunicate
When discussing your raiding availability, don't just say "any time." That's incredibly vague and tells me that you didn't take any time considering the question. Spell out every one of your other responsibilities in detail, including any unplanned situations that you've faced before. I once had a rogue applicant show up to every one of my raids 15 minutes early. He would say, "See, I told you I can make every raid on time." After two weeks of this, I knew that this was a dependable assassin, and I recruited him to the raid.
One of the most impressive rogue applications I ever received had a detailed look into the applicant's UI. He showed me all of his keybindings, including his wide variety of Tricks of the Trade macros for every situation. He included images of his bag space, displaying his collection of food, flasks, and potions that were designated specifically for raiding. The application also included examples of his enemy cast bar, which was very large and had a countdown timer to make Kicking easier. With just a few pictures, he was able to completely convince me that he was serious about raiding and doing his job well.
Street cred
While damage meters and UI screenshots are great tools for any new applicant, I look deeper when I'm reviewing a rogue's application. I want to know that he's more than just some guy who happened to randomly choose a rogue at the character creation screen; I want to know that he's actually invested in the class.
I'll look at your Armory to see how many kills you've scored on the opposing faction and whether or not you completed the Ravenholdt quest line. I'll ask you to link your rare Pickpocketed dice, and I'll want for you to link your Thieves' Tools. If you say you've been playing your rogue for many years, I'm going to need to see your Flash Powder, Blinding Powder, and Thistle Tea. You need to know someone would pre-Vanish and how to skip every boss in a Dire Maul North tribute run with Saps and a few materials.
You need to convince your reviewer that you know every aspect of your class, both inside and outside of a raid environment. You need to prove to them that you're willing to put in the long hours and nights full of wipes to get the job done. You need to show that you're ready for the next level and that taking a chance on you isn't a waste of time. Guild and raid leaders are desperate for talented rogues at every gear and experience level. The world is your oyster, but you need to be able to show that you're a rogue's rogue. Be prepared; be precise.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Danccer Jun 8th 2011 9:39AM
To be honest I hardly read the majority of your posts anymore. Having played a rogue since vanilla I find your posts normally geared at less informed people. The last 2 weeks have been an improvement and I 100% agree with where we standard DPS wise (I was 5th last night pulling 15k overal through out the entire BWD normal run). 5th?!?! This is in 10 man and I am the raid leader, which does effect my uptime. I am constantly calling out other people when I could be more focused on my rotation and uptime. But our DPS needs something the poison damage increase in 4.2 will help but I don't see it as a fix more of a patch.
Anyways I enjoyed this post and I have crafted a few applications in the past in a similarly detailed fashion. I also tend to reference my past MMO experience. I was a raid leader in Everquest and the do not stand in the fire mentality has been around as long as raiding existed.
Sadly as a raid leader I do not see a need for more rogues. Yes in 10 man I am the only one in my guild. But even in 25 why would you take a rogue these days to heroic encounters. Lots of players have 10 second interupts DKs for example who can also kite, battle res and out dps us. We bring an 8% spell damage increase meh I suppose thats something but when you can bring a hunter pulling 10% more dps damamge than us its a bit meh.
I havent successfully completed any of the heroic encounters but apart from Valiona where I understand sub spec dominates in twilight where else are rogues the go to guys these days?
Danccer
fbp Jun 8th 2011 10:52AM
With cloak of shadows going to 2 minutes in 4.2 I wonder how big of a part it will play.
Chase Christian Jun 8th 2011 10:53AM
There are a few other fights where our survivability is valuable: heroic V+T, heroic Al'Akir, and heroic Ascendant Council all come to mind. Tricks of the Trade is also still tremendously valuable for fights with lots of adds that need to quickly be controlled. Many guilds pick up rogues because they either don't know any better, or they need someone to soak up all that agility leather gear.
bldavis59 Jun 8th 2011 3:32PM
@chase if they really need someone to soak up the agil leather, my feral druid can come!
he can do good dps, and he can tank!
Rogues? We dont need no stinkin ROGUES! (:P /troll)
Kelly Jun 14th 2011 10:13AM
In March my guild disbanded after a lot of RL issues kept several people from raiding (and in a 10-man "friendly" guild, that's death, period). So, I began scouring the forums, looking for anyone to take a lonely rogue.
No one was looking. So I put a post on the forums, asking a simple question: Why would anyone take rogues on a raid? Hoping that Blizzard would realize that there's no reason to take a rogue. As you said, others have 10-sec interrupts, better DPS, better armor (not gear, talking about plate vs leather), better interrupts (blind in 4.2 helps a lot, but we would still have to leave our target to reapply in battle, which means 0 DPS for that time), which means that Rogues get the short-end of the stick.
I was mocked relentlessly for my comments. I'm glad to see that there's a RAID LEADER, someone who hasn't played the "What if I were raid leader?" game in their head. You are a person who has actually put together a team, and even you say, "Why bring a rogue!?"
Thank you! Everyone else may not agree with me, especially other rogues, but I really can't figure out why anyone would take us to a raid right now. That could be the reason we're the second least played class, and the only class less played than us is considered by a lot of people to be the most difficult class to play (Warlock, though I don't see why, I love my lock). No one wants a rogue, so no one plays a rogue.
However, the biggest problem, in my opinion: "Nerf rogues, they're so OP in PVP"..... WHO CARES!? We're completely under-powered in PVE, which makes we PVE rogues pretty much useless. At least, that's how I feel most nights.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Fallen Hero Jun 8th 2011 9:41AM
While I usually enjoy Chase's rogue articles I had to reread the "Preperation isnt just a talent" section. Really Chase? I think you can put any class in there and it would still be a true section. I find it hard to believe just rogue players get burnt out from going to raiding from just doing dungeons. I have seen my fair share of holy pallys and warrior tanks call it quits early in a raid because they just couldnt take anymore. I don't think rogues should be pointed out for something that affects a much larger base of players and not just a single class.
I usually don't comment but I felt like I had to defend the rogue community against your untrue accusations (atleast in my opinion).
I will put it out there that I do play a rogue main.
Other than that section keep up the other great rogue articles, they seem to be far and inbetween as the class gets less and less popular to play.
Fletcher Jun 8th 2011 9:46AM
I don't think Christian meant that Rogues give up in the face of endless wipes any more than hunters or mages or those filthy rancid flapping herbninjas who steal our leather. It's just ... he's writing about *rogues*, so it makes sense for him to say "rogues". I think you're finding offense where no offense exists, to be honest.
Fallen Hero Jun 8th 2011 9:49AM
I did take that into consideration but if this is a resource site for wow players I thought it might need to be said for new potential rogues or people looking to recruit new players into their guild, ie. rogues.
But I do understand what you are saying.
Fletcher Jun 8th 2011 9:50AM
I'm pretty sure I deleted my Thief's Tools and the like. I needed that bank space for gear! And my ever-expanding collection of Nether Vortexes from Heroic Sethekk Halls runs where Anzu *just won't drop* his Reins and I pop next door to kill Ikiss before hearthing.
When I finally get that bird I'm going to celebrate by selling all my Nether Vortexes, baking a Chocolate Cake, and /dancing on Anzu's corpse. I'm hoping it'll be before 4.2 drops, since T12 rogue gear looks Anzu-ish!
Telwar Jun 8th 2011 10:18AM
I kept my thieves' tools, but haven't kept any flash powder or blinding powder. I do believe I have some thistle tea in the bank, though.
Dankie Jun 8th 2011 2:02PM
:D I'm a bit of a hoarder so I have thieves tools, blinding powder and flash powder and my certificate of thievery.
I'm surprised at the impression of thistle tea as 'old hat'. I still brew Thistle Tea before I raid, keep 40 in my bags. 10 energy is 10 energy and 1 gcd during an energy crisis is worth it. You just gotta know when to use it and if, sometimes it's better to eat a cookie (health vs energy).
MrDrew Jun 8th 2011 4:13PM
Ironically I still have all of that stuff IN MY BAGS (/facepalm). I use thistle tea for that little extra boost during fights just to push me past the mage for first :D
Is it sad that I have 4 rogues now?
Panteleone Jun 8th 2011 10:09AM
Pardon what might seem an ignorant question from a non-rogue raider, but if the rogue is putting out acceptable DPS and has a solid rotation, and knows when to interrupt and not stand in fire, then who cares if he can do a tribute run or has flash powder? What does that matter when qualifying someone who wants to raid?
Therinor Jun 8th 2011 10:28AM
I assume the most important part about that part of the article is not the details (tribute run and the items), but the "needs to know his class inside and out". Sure, it doesnt matter for the raid if the rogue can do that tribute run, but to a certain degree, if you can see that the guy know how to use ALL his skills other than just the DPS rotation, thats a good sign.
Sure, your main job is to burn down the bosses and stay out of the stuff on the ground, but if you really know your class, know how to use all your abilities to support your raid, help with CC, help a little bit to keep yourself alive instead of leaving it to the healer at all times, that's in my opinion a point to consider.
A training dummy log by someone who used RAF to lvl his rogue to 85 in a few days, then memorizes one rotation and unloads it on the dummy might get you impressive DPS, but in a real environment such as a raid, that person might not know his class well enough to use all his abilities in those moments where its not ONLY about pure DPS output.
I do think the list of things he asks for might be a bit exaggerated... I deleted some of those items to save up bank-space, so I guess Id have a hard time making it through that test, but I guess the point is that it might be preferrable to pick that rogue who does both great DPS with the perfect rotation AND knows how to actually use all his skills over the guy who can do great DPS but doesnt care about survivability, CC etc.
At least thats how I read that part, might be wrong =)
Chase Christian Jun 8th 2011 10:41AM
Therinor hit the nail on the head. It's not about having Blinding Powder, it's about loving the rogue class and knowing it through and through. There are a lot of fair-weather rogues out there, who will reroll Death Knights at the drop of a hat. I want to know that the rogues in my guild know the class and enjoy playing it. It shows me that they take their rogue seriously.
Therinor Jun 8th 2011 11:21AM
Cool, so I got yer point right! =)
And I agree. I know there are lots of guilds who dont go that deeply when it comes to recruiting, and thats totally ok, ofc, same with players who change their spec or even their main according to which one has the most DPS-output currently.
At the same time, I do believe that even though there are many situations where its totally vital that there is enough DPS to get down the boss before he enrages or whatever, I do believe it can be insanely helpful to know your class.
I love to play frost and arcane on my mage, and have been playing frost for a really long time. In Wrath, when CC wasnt really needed that much, I still used that to help out in PUGs... a stray add going for the healer, me accidentially pulling aggro with AOE or whatever, Id aggro that mob, slow it, run to the tank, and frost nova it right before his nose, blink away or invis to lose aggro, and continue dpsing.
Its actually FUN to do that. NOT doing it on purpose to have some extra-fun (which would be about as fair to the group as pulling adds as a DPS on purpose), but trying to help when I noticed things going wrong. Frost wasnt exactly the most popular spec then, but I did enough DPS to get mobs down, and was able to help a bit, so I didnt care about people yelling at me for playing that spec. Granted, if my DPS in that spec would have been way too low for a heroic, Id have considered using arcane instead, but it was totally ok, maybe not as crazy as the DPS some others did (and did harp on with constant Recount-spams)
I really believe that Blizz gave the classes those OTHER abilities not only for questing, and even though you should try your best to fulfill your role (in that case, kill things), if you actually know the rest of your classes' abilities, you can actually help a bit with situations that arent entirely tank n spank.
So tl:dr: Of course a DPSer needs to do his DPS-job well, but IMO it can add to the raid if you use some of those other abilities when needed, either when stuff goes out of control or to make the job of the healers and tanks a tiny bit easier
Pryn Jun 8th 2011 1:57PM
I let my vanishing and blinding powder go to vendors so I have room for Tier collections, but I always have Thieve's Tools, Certificate of Thievery and this little gem in my bags;
http://www.wowhead.com/item=3668
Its all about flavour. Love your rogue!
Marc Jun 13th 2011 11:38PM
So glad I stopped raiding. Raiders are too hardcore and care far too much about what should be enjoyable. This game has gotten seriously ridiculous...
-Marc
http://www.lasvegasseoconsultants.com/
Mordok Jun 8th 2011 10:17AM
I have said it before and I'll say it again, Rogues are rotten little things that are afraid to come out in the open and be with the rest of the world.
Blizzard must have thought it a good idea and then discovered what a mistake they made by not giving them any more perks. The world would be better off without Rogues, I say, come out of the shadows or you will all be done away with by those of us that care.
(this is a lesson in how to make a whole bunch of people mad in a few words) The truth though.....I HATE ROGUES......
Fletcher Jun 8th 2011 11:15AM
Ehh. I'm not very mad ... admitting that you're trolling kinda deflates it, and it wasn't very trollish to begin with.