Ready Check: How to deal with multiple wipes

Are you willing to spend a night wiping on new content?
It's a fairly common question seen on applications to raiding guides these days and has been for the longest time now. Wiping is a part of learning content. Everyone wipes -- everyone. There's simply no way that you can hope to avoid it. Anyone who wants to join any raiding guide at any level of progression is going to have to accept the fact that they are going to spend a good deal of time tanking the floor.
Despite how common it is and despite how much we have all come to accept that it is going to happen, people really don't like wiping. It isn't fun, after all. Wiping means that you've failed, and people hate to fail. Still, this is a truth that we must all learn to accept and all learn to deal with.
Are you willing to spend a night wiping on new content? Can you really deal with it? How do you deal with it?
I will not rage
The #1 golden rule of WoW: I will not rage. We tell ourselves that for nearly everything that we do, because it is the most important lesson that we have to learn. If playing the game is making you angry, if you are becoming that frustrated, then it is time to take a break. The downside is, that isn't always an option.
Wiping is a very frustrating experience that no one truly enjoys. Avoiding the rage factor is pretty tough when tensions are high and every minor mistake that any player in your group makes leads to defeat. You may want to quit, you want to step away, to scream at something -- but you can't. You have to stay, you have to press on, you have to keep going and try again, and again, and again, because this time, you just might get it.
We all tell ourselves that we will never rage, that we won't let a game get to us, but let's face facts: We do. We rage, we get angry, we get stressed as we spend time dying over and over again to seemingly simple mechanics that we should be able to avoid. Worse yet, we get peeved at other people who aren't quite getting it for some reason. Simple mistakes, mistakes that otherwise would go unnoticed, become fuel for the fire during the course of a night of wiping.
When tension piles up
While taking a break from the game might not be an option, you still need to find a way to release your frustration that doesn't involve screaming into your mic at people you would otherwise consider your friends. When leaving isn't an option, what's a raider to do?
First, consider if perhaps taking a break actually is a option. If the entire raid seems to be on edge due to constant wipes, then perhaps it is a good time to call for everyone to just take a 10-minute break, cool off, clear their heads, and come back refreshed. Never underestimate the power that a short reprieve can give an entire group. Just a few moments to relax and put their mind towards other things can be a huge weight off your raider's shoulders. Don't be scared of calling a break for the sake of progression. Throwing yourself against a brick wall constantly is a huge mental drain on people. Give them a chance to resurrect their brain power.
If taking a break isn't an option for you, find something that you can do between deaths to take your mind off of things, if just for a moment. Take a quick second to just get up and stretch, text a non-WoW friend about something non-game related, count the change in your pocket -- something, anything that isn't focused on the task at hand. A quick, easy distraction will take your mind off the deaths and reduce your stress.
No sniping
Similar to not raging, not sniping at your fellow guildmates after a wipe a huge rule that is broken often by many people. Snide remarks over the mistakes that others have made don't help the situation at all. They won't reduce your stress levels, and they'll only serve to antagonize your fellow raiders.
When players make a mistake, they often know that they have. There isn't any need to make the situation worse for them, and doing so is only going to cause resentment and possible backlash which leads to drama. Drama, as we all know, is bad; no one wants drama, so don't start it.
Players often can break this rule even with the best of intentions, thinking that they are safe in doing so. Perhaps you aren't "calling them out" over Vent or in raid chat, but you just mention an issue passingly in party or in a whisper. While questioning mistakes is good, and doing so in whispers is he best method for this, be cautious in how you bring the issue up. Don't be accusatory, but also don't chide.
The best way to broach a problem with another player is to merely ask for an opinion instead of directly accusing or even directly questioning someone. Again, players often know when they've made a mistake, but a raid leader also needs to know that it has been corrected. Instead of saying "What happened?" or "Can you fix it?", be more neutral. Say something like, "Are you fine tanking all of the adds, or did you need an extra tank to help?" or "Can you keep the tank up alone, or should I switch another healer over?"
Don't assume someone has failed; don't assume he isn't good enough. Give players the opportunity to supply their own input before you question the validity of their actions. A tank could have died because of a misjudgment of damage output. It could have been that the healer does need additional help, or maybe they just need more practice dodging environmental factors and keeping the tank alive at the same time. These things seem easy on paper, but in practice, it can be much harder than it sounds.
Similarly, with adds, perhaps the tank just needs a Misdirect, or maybe the adds just spawned slightly differently from what the tank was used to and a small little slip resulted in a chain reaction of bad. Mistakes are mistakes; learning is learning. Never assume that a simple error was anything more than that, and always doublecheck that it is something that can be avoided in the future.
We be giants
There will be times when a wipe isn't particularly due to any one person's mistakes or even those of a small group of people, but rather by the collective raid as a whole. It wasn't one thing that went wrong, but a collective mess of everything falling apart. In these cases, it can be tempting to scold or, worse, belittle the raid as a whole for their failures, especially if it has happened several times over or if it's mistakes that shouldn't be happening.
Never, ever give into that temptation. I've heard it often, in groups to raids to PVP, but phrases such as "We shouldn't be dying to this, this is easy, stop messing it up," -- though usually the language is a bit stronger -- doesn't actually help. That isn't a resonating battle cry that's going to rally your troops. People don't respond well to negative reinforcement.
It is entirely possible that it is the truth. You may be dying to something that is "easy" or that you shouldn't be dying to. The raid might be making mistakes that they shouldn't be making. But pointing it out in such a manner isn't going to fix your issues at all. You'll only end up in frustrating the rest of the raid and potentially causing more wipes.
Remind the raid the mechanics, repeat what they have to avoid, but do not do so in a tone that demeans them, and certainly don't admonish them for it. This is a game; your raiders are only there to have fun. Once they stop having fun, they stop trying, they stop caring -- and worse, they could blame you for it. That is something you want to avoid more than any fire.
I will be a scientist
Remember that you should always be learning from your experiences, whether they be successes or failures. If you spend a night attempting a boss that you just can't seem to get down, then spend some of your next pre-raid free time figuring out what it was that went wrong. Usually, it isn't one major thing or even the ability or gear of one player. Sometimes, it could be the strategy itself that is flawed.
There are a lot of guide sites out there now; information on WoW has grown rapidly over the past few years. For all of the information that is out there, for all of the good that this has done for the community, the major downside of this has been that far to few raids are willing to deviate from the "normal" plan.
I've seen and heard of numerous guilds that will call a raid or skip heroic Magmaw simply because they lack a death knight in order to kite the parasites with. Certainly kiting the parasites is the most accepted method for dealing with this encounter, and hands down, frost death knights are the best at doing this -- but that doesn't mean it is the only way of completing the encounter.
If you don't have your usual setup or composition for a certain encounter or strategy, don't be afraid to try something else. Use a hunter or frost mage to kite with, maybe even a balance druid. Maybe you have to try a different tanking method or a different rotation of cooldowns to deal with healing mechanics. Stop worrying about what you don't have and focus instead on the things that you do have.
Further, don't get stuck into thinking that the way a certain top guild did an encounter is the only way to beat it. WoW is brilliant because there are so many abilities in the game, and there are multiple ways to beat every encounter out there. I promise you, Blizzard doesn't sit there designing encounters by saying, "Oh, yes, they'll have to use spec X of class Y for mechanic Z, and if they don't have it, well, they can just recruit and get it!" There is always another way. Don't be scared of experimenting, of trying something different.
Every player plays differently. Every raid has a varying composition. What works for one raid isn't always going to work for another. If things aren't going your way, instead of finding the flaws that people make, try and find ways in which you can limit those flaws from happening, or a different way to avoid them than what you've been trying. Sometimes it's a matter of things not clicking together; sometimes it's a flaw in your strategy.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
dj.clayden Jun 10th 2011 1:18PM
Just an odd little piece of advice, but one I find useful, if you're getting stressed (more importantly, if you find yourself losing focus), and if you can find a couple minutes spare I find a very quick work out before jumping back on your gaming chair (or couch, or stool, or whatever you play on) can genuinely get your focus back.
I tend to find doing 30+ or so press ups (mileage may vary, after 30 press-ups I'm a lil bit knackered, couldnt do many more, but most people will be athletically fitter than me) before getting back to the game helps me chill amid wiping, and refocuses me :)
Your mileage may vary though, for a lot of different reasons. Just saying it helps me out sometimes, and thought it's worth posting in case even one person gives it a try and finds it helps them relax ^_^
dj.clayden Jun 10th 2011 1:20PM
"EDIT": Sorry that post was so badly written, haven't slept for a couple days.
Nina Katarina Jun 10th 2011 1:34PM
A mental break of any sort is wonderful. Physical activity works, mental activity works.
I keep my favorite novels by the computer for a quick reading snippet during our called breaks. One of our raid members will play 'inspirational' clips for us when we come back from breaks - we never know whether it's going to be sublime or ridiculous. I've also been known to swap computers, turn on the screen saver, and stare at random patterns for a few minutes to clear my head.
Marcosius Jun 10th 2011 4:48PM
I tend to find doing 30+ or so press ups (mileage may vary, after 30 press-ups I'm a lil bit knackered, couldnt do many more, but most people will be athletically fitter than me)
ROFL I wonder how many pushups would an average nerd do, somewhere along the lines of 0-5? :P
work4latte Jun 10th 2011 1:20PM
In the little 10 man that i lead, i try to do two things when we wipe. First, i ask about what folks think we need to do differently. Sometimes i think if one person has an issue, i'll ask about it - hunter didn't trap an add? i might ask if the trap idea is workable. I learn all sorts of interesting things about mechanics this way! The other thing i do is look for who's improving, who's doing well, and publicly comment on it. So, even if we wipe all evening (and we do sometimes) everyone gets a 'moment in the sun', to feel good about their hard work. We have all the rules you talked about above, but keeping up morale and keeping the raid focused is the raid leader's job, imo. Our team is the best folks ever!
Thrace Jun 10th 2011 2:40PM
Positive feedback, even after a wipe, is a very good way to keep morale up.
Another thing I do to help stave off the rage monster is to remember how great it felt the last time the team overcame tough mechanics to conquer a boss. It's an amazing feeling, and so worth the effort.
Moeru Jun 10th 2011 3:57PM
Don't tell people what they can't do. Tell people what they can do. Works in PvP all the time for me, and I try to do it in raids.
Instead of 'Don't go there' say 'Go there'.
It's a small difference, but people feel like they're not being berated for something they did wrong.
Nina Katarina Jun 10th 2011 1:37PM
And another thing you can do is foster an environment where people admit their mistakes rather than trying to shift blame. We have one complete pessimist in the raid group who is convinced that he causes all wipes, and will tell us endlessly just what he did wrong, so the rest of us have developed a critical eye towards our own mistakes just to shut him down when he goes into his "I'm not good enough for the rest of you, I should just quit".
He's brilliant, we try to tell him that, maybe someday he'll listen.
Moeru Jun 10th 2011 3:58PM
We have one of those lol
The Dewd Jun 10th 2011 1:40PM
Some of this comes down to just knowing your guild/raid-mates. My guild is made up a large number of RL friends - most of us didn't know each other before WoW but we have, largely, become friends and have social interaction outside of WoW as time and geography allows.
For us, blaming someone who is completely and utterly blameless for a wipe can actually take some of the pressure off. Last man to die was a holy priest? Ask him why he didn't tank/kite/kill the enraged boss for the last 750k health. We also have a generic scapegoat who is to blame for anything and everything happens in-game, even if he's not there or not even logged in. Provided he didn't actually CAUSE the wipe, we generally will blame him for what happened. Plus a lot of folks have macros for /g or /ra (or even /rw) that blame him with some sort of silly rhyme - again, humor helps take the edge off wiping.
Other things that can help - if theyr'e done properly (in addition to work4latte's EXCELLENT suggestions, above). A good-natured ribbing of anyone who survives the wipe. This includes folks like feigned hunters, vanished rogues, and shadowmelded night elves. Also, for those who collect them, sometimes it helps to refocus by doing through your non-combat pets and picking out a different one that will "help" better with the encounter.
foxish.sunrise Jun 10th 2011 3:47PM
Egbert is ALWAYS the best pet to help with a fight. :P
Firestyle Jun 10th 2011 1:41PM
We always just kill the adds on heroic magmaw. Kiting them never even really came up.
Seerieloc Jun 13th 2011 4:38PM
Yes, always willing to wipe while learning new content. It's wiping on farm content that gets annoying.
visuallynoisy Jun 10th 2011 2:03PM
Very good advice here. I never have a problem wiping on new content. But wiping on old content because you can't get the same people to show up consistently brings on a whole new level of frustration for me...
Steve! Jun 10th 2011 2:27PM
Man, I hate to be *that* guy, but I've noticed a real increase in typos on WoW Insider lately. This article alone has at least 4. I know this is nit-picky and petty, but I'm a copy editor by day and this sort of thing really catches my eye. What happened to the proofreading on these articles?
That said, this is definitely good advice - I've wanted to rage quit after a night of wipes several times. The best solution for me was what was in the article - get up, take a short walk to the backyard, get some air and a frosty beverage, then give it a go again. And remain positive.
jimforbes40 Jun 26th 2011 1:52PM
I know Tyer gets a lot of stick here, esp. from Mr Fox, but this post has an awful lot of common sense in it, grats to Tyler for it, liking him more from every post he...erm posts.
DarkWalker Jun 10th 2011 3:30PM
My problem is a little different. I don't rage, complain, leave early, whatever. I try to be extremely polite. Before sending any message, even in whisper, I try to imagine how everyone in the party/raid might take it, and while I might be somewhat sarcastic when answering to insults, I never throw insults back even when I think the other player deserved it.
The problem is, while I'm able to avoid showing frustration in the group, it can sometimes get to me and cause severe burn out. This is what happened to me regarding Cataclysm Heroic LFD PUGs; while trying to be always helpful and polite with strangers, I got burned with those PUGs to an extent that, 6 months after leaving the game, I still can't see myself tanking another one. And this coming from someone that, in my old raid group, would gladly spend 10-12 hours wiping on Arthas per weekend.
Matthew Jun 10th 2011 3:51PM
A Haiku:
I really hate wipes
An evening of my life - gone
Why is this called 'fun' ?
Matthew Jun 10th 2011 3:53PM
A corollary:
Chatterbox in vent:
Shut the fuck up! I don't care
about your nachos.
dj.clayden Jun 10th 2011 4:01PM
It sounds like you really enjoy raids :) Have you consider just not raiding?