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6-10-2011 @ 5:10PM
It's so heartening to see so many constructive comments about dealing with wiping. I actually don't mind them at all when a group or a few in a group are learning a fight - one of the things that makes wow fun is that it is not just "turn up, be bad, get loot, finished content, wait for next expac", I want to have to improve and work hard.However, I have to say my experience in cata has been that good guild environments for raiding are hard to find. I'm sure if you are in one - then this seems difficult to believe. On several realms I have geared up toons to raid readiness and then gone searching for a guild to raid with - mostly my experience is of a highly abusive raiding environment. For some strange reason, many RLs seem to think that they are behaving like saints when they deliver withering and deeply insulting criticism in calm voices over vent (actually I think that just makes them sound like psychopaths). I'm thinking in particular about one guild leader on Saurfang in particular who at complained to me that their previous holy pally had left after the first raid. After enduring endless asinine comments about "heals just having to do their job and stop thinking they can be carried" (all the while failing to do anything about people standing in blue/red/green death puddles/flames) I too (on my holy pally) left after the first raid. I applaud those wonderful raid leaders who engender an environment where acceptance of wiping is part of the progression learning - I've only experienced one such raid leader (respectful salute to Maximusevil - always calm, constructive and funny) and he got amazing performance and loyalty out of our guild's no2 10 man team - getting us to 11/12 ICC while our main team was stuck 7/12.To those of you like Maximusevil - please go forth and multiply, there are never enough of you. To the others - please just remember that there are people at the other end of that toon you are flaming, they don't come to raids to be 'bads' or 'fails', they aren't solely in it for the loot - they come for fun, companionship and many other emotional goodies that don't involve being insulted.
6-10-2011 @ 11:03PM
Dennibabe, if you're still looking for that friendly guild then perhaps Instability@Dath'remar can offer you the experience you're seeking. Our biggest trouble with recruitment is finding people who truly want a friendly raiding environment above all other criteria. We're slowly accumulating them but the constant parade of drama lovers, loot seekers or raiders losing their love of WoW and AFKing from the game is grinding us down.Our own version of the scapegoat is "The G-String of Shame". The green raid triangle is placed over the head of a raider with a strong sense of self. When tension relieving becomes necessary, they then become the focus of all our puns and friendly insults for the evening.For Oceanic players, who are looking for enjoyable raiding as their main focus, please check out Instability's recruitment post on Dath'remar forums.
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