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6-13-2011 @ 7:43PM
I may be confused...but how does an alt run deter from main raids? It sounds like the alt run was successful, and (most likely) people enjoyed it. I also don't understand this "official" versus "unofficial" raids. Is it how attendence/loot policies are decided, or is it simply "main" versus "alt" terms?I may be in too casual and small of a guild to comment, but we are actually starting up an alt raid night. This is due to several alts and returning players (including myself) wanting to have a chance to raid, while the main raid team that has been here for tier 11 can continue to raid. This was set up by one of the officers, and it was met with a lot of support. Of course, it was a purely optional raid - no one was required to attend, and loot was still based on the normal loot rules. While the raid did not happen as expected (family emergency), it still is something we are planning to do, unless it burns people out or regular attendance can't be met.In this guild's situation, I agree that Hoots shouldn't have ever been punished. He took initiative, set up a raid for those who wanted to play different roles or alts, and it was successful. Also, if the guild as a whole believed that the weekend only policy was so strict, then the raid would not have gone off (in other words, several other raiders did not mind the weekday raid). So why did the officer take such offense if a lot of raiders felt it was alright? The officer, to me, seems to be threatened (if Hoots isn't an officer) by this action and initiation from Hoots (although, if the officer is good, why is he in danger of losing his position or anything?) I wouldn't be surprised if Hoots and the officer did not have some squabble before this event, which only made this a personal matter. But back to the topic - looking forward for this guild. The GM should state that while the guild is focused on being a weekend-focused guild, that raids during weekdays aren't prohibited. So long as raids do not interfere with the main raids (i guess these are the official raids), then alt (unofficial) raids are allowed, and they can be during weekdays if members are willing to organize said groups. Also, both Hoots (if he was involved in the argument...not sure after reading the e-mail) and the officer should be reprimanded for causing an argument and disturbance in the guild (if Hoots was not involved, then just the officer). If tension between Hoots and the officer continue, then the GM needs to step in and settle this with a hard talking and some compromise if possible. It sounds like it'll only get worse if the GM doesn't take a stand and tell them this drama isn't going to be a part of the guild (which he did take a stand, but one I probably would have not done). I hope the situation settles down soon. All the best wishes and luck to you, Weared GM.
6-14-2011 @ 10:21AM
Normally I would agree that an Alt raid wouldn't really deter from Main raid, but I think it's important to listen to how the GM refers to his guild. He says it's a "casual raiding team (Friday/Saturday night, 6 hours of so, two 10 man raids at most) who was originally built to offer those that could not afford to raid during the week an opportunity to raid decently without most of the pressure of attendance."Their main raids are already loosely defined. They are run on high IRL activity nights with out a big attendance policy. With the Alt raid being on a Monday, it would be quite easy for someone to say, "sorry, can't make raid this weekend" and then make themselves available for alt raid on their main. It's easy to say that alt raids should impact main raids, but when you have casual or lax attendence policies it's easy for players to game the system. By no means am I saying this will happen but it could.All that said I do think there was a big overreaction towards Hoots. Initiative shouldn't be discouraged. If there is interest in the alt raid on any night it should be allowed. The officers of the guild just have to make everyone understands the situation and try and keep all of the mains in the main raids. However, if players do start to shift to the alt raid, I think it's time for the officers to see the writing on the wall. The players might not be as interested in weekend raiding as they think. If that is the case then they either need to let the guild shift, or heavily recruit to try and maintain the focus.
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