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6-14-2011 @ 4:43PM
Question"when are taunts going to not miss?"Answer"about 9 months ago"the problem with the rating system is what the questions actually are is almost completely irrelevent, but rathor WHERE they are. if your question is on page 1-2 chances are it will be in Q&A no question about it, it will get most votes just do to the fact that majority are not going to go through 26 pages to upvote, and those that do won't matter cause their vote won't be the counting majority, which is lazy poeple that will read maybe 1-3 pages in then stop there.I do wish blizz would moderate them more though and honestly delete any useless question that is dumb as hell. do you know how many poeple in the achievements Q&A a while back asked when we ewre getting new achievements for pet collecting? like 30ish from my count, out of 500 posts. that many people asked a question that was available in the PTR patch notes at the time!. furthermore, it was actually highly voted and actually got an answer in the Q&A. really? nothing annoys me more then stupid poeple, and even worse, more stupid poeple to vote the first one up.that said however, even if question was very good, it really still doesn't matter cause blizzards answers are always terrible anyways. they dodge any question that's a hot item like vengeance mechanics. we all know threat on pull is pretty god aweful, and nearly impossible to maintain in 5 mans without a lot of vengeance, between rapid decay and slow gaining., the two biggest problems are pull threat, and 5 man threat. and blizz dodged question completely with a terrible answer
6-14-2011 @ 5:28PM
The major point of the Q&As are to inform all the players that *don't* read patch notes or follow Blue Trackers and MMO-Champion. They are *not* intended to delve deep into huge issues requiring multi-paragraph bullet points as many players (and WoW Insider writers) appear to believe. There are other avenues for such discussion, like Dev Watercoolers and - more importantly - other players."Blizzard needs to address my issues."No, they don't. They tried that. Players ripped Ghostcrawler to shreds *every single time* he poked his head into a thread. This very article is just another glaring example of how much condescension such involvement engendered. If you would like more proof, go take a gander at the MMO-Champion forums some day. See what happens when you mention the name "Greg Street".Finally, if the majority of readers believe Taunts still miss, then Blizzard *should* inform them that Taunts don't miss. That's what the Q&A is for.
6-14-2011 @ 5:33PM
@loopThe question about taunts not missing wasn't about taunts missing. It was not a highly rated post. It did not get as many votes as 50 other question that didn't get answered. It was a indicator of a poorly designed format for communication.
6-14-2011 @ 6:20PM
@DragonFireKaiThe question *was* about taunts missing. Downvotes are *not* counted by Blizzard, although they are by the forum code.Also, Bashiok: "If we haven’t made an announcement on a topic yet, then chances are good we don’t yet think a change is necessary, or we’re not yet sure how we want to fix a problem. Therefore, it should not be surprising that many answers are going to say “we’re still considering it but have no announcements at this time.” If we have an upcoming change to announce, we’ll do that. We're not waiting for a player to ask just the right question.The primary purpose of Ask the Devs is to help you understand the developer perspective and intent. If you want a list of upcoming changes, you’ll get more out of patch notes."http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/165184/ask-the-devs-answers-2-pvp#post298
6-14-2011 @ 6:58PM
@LoopYou don't know what you're talking about. The question was one of the few that came from the Latin American realms. None of them were highly rated, as you can see here.http://us.battle.net/wow/es/forum/topic/2592639835The question about the taunts came from Martymadigan, a paladin tank in a guild that is well into heroic raiding. It was better suited as a bug report, but he was pointing out that Righteous Defense was still missing targets. After the shitstorm erupted, he showed up in the english thread to explain.http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649805301?page=15#287"My question got missinterpreted and was not accurately translated from Spanish to English. What I wanted to ask is why Righteous Defense can still miss (on Maloriak adds for example). I know Hand of Reckoning does not."Blizzard failed to properly translate the question, which led to a question, which was not highly rated, to be mangled and turned into a completely different question. Which was then given a patronizing answer.http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649805301?page=17#333"The question about Righteous Defense turned into an investigation of the code around Righteous Defense, and it was found to be bugged.It was unintended for Righteous Defense to miss, so the bug was tracked down. It is being fixed immediately. "The patronizing answer turned out to be wrong. So people are upset. This was a failure on every level.
6-14-2011 @ 10:05PM
http://tinyurl.com/4yejoyvTRANSLATION: http://tinyurl.com/4yejoyvIt was mistranslated? Prove me wrong. He even states "all" taunts in the original question. Whatever he says afterwards is irrelevant, as Blizzard cannot travel back in time.LACK OF VOTES:Blizzard tries to incorporate questions from all regions. As such, even some votes on a relatively small list are likely to get a question included, as seen here.FAILURE ON ALL LEVELS:Bullshit.
6-14-2011 @ 10:11PM
...and seriously, how can you even mistake what his original question was regarding?1) Todos = everything. All taunts. Every one of them. That's not a fucking mistranslation.2) "Like interrupts". Y'know, when interrupts got all got changed to not miss? The big sweeping change?The more likely reality is that he assumed all taunts miss because he had Righteous Defender miss. Now he's trying to save face.
6-14-2011 @ 10:17PM
Translation break down:Porque no hacen que = Why not make...?los taunts (todos) = THE TAUNTS. It's already in English! And he said all of them!Righteous Defense = http://es.wowhead.com/spell=31789. Defensa recta. Where the hell does he mention this spell in his original question? He doesn't.
6-14-2011 @ 10:18PM
@Dragon,Except, his question did NOT get misinterpreted. What was translated for the Answers Thread was exactly what he asked, there was no screw-up on Blizzard's (or whoever they may have hired to translate) part. They very much did answer the question they received. It was Madmartygan who was not clear on what his question was in the first place.The first link that you provide say nothing about Righteous Defense. In fact, actually says "Can you make it so that (all) taunts doesn't miss, just like you did for interrupt abilities?"Either he made that statement about Righteous Defense afterwards to defend himself and his credibility, since people were obviously reprimanding him for it, or /tinfoilhat! Blizzard went back and changed the question in the LA forums to fit the answer in the Answers thread!
6-15-2011 @ 12:49AM
Loop, rage much?
6-15-2011 @ 2:23AM
@SterbI think it's completely validated "rage." He's getting downvoted and he's telling the truth. I know most (well... all) of this article is focused on how Blizzard got it wrong in this Q and A. But just because they messed up on several other questions doesn't mean you have to go bashing on someone trying to ease off just a small bit of misguided Blizz-hate.Dragon wrote a very convincing argument (with citations at that!) and so most people would have thought that to be the "truth" and thus voted it up. I think the only reason people are voting Loop down is because he's against Dragon's arguement, and must therefore be "false."Anyone who has learned some Spanish (or just bothered to look up the translations on Google) would have seen right away that Loop was correct. Voting Dragon up was just plain ignorance (or perhaps, laziness) on several readers' part.
6-15-2011 @ 4:40AM
Regardless of the translation, the fact remains that not only did Blizzard post a cheesy response to a question that didn't need to be put in there, but their answer was wrong on multiple levels. They referenced a patch that did not exist, and there were taunts that were still missing, despite their assurances that "patch 3.9" fixed it all. All these flaws in an answer to a question that didn't recieve 1/10 as many votes as many more qualified questions that didn't make the cut. The majority didn't think that taunts miss, hell, not even the palty dozen upvotes required to highlight a post as highly rated were tallied. That question slipped through because Blizzard failed to properly weigh their input sources. You vote simply didn't matter as much as the votes that got that question on there. Which is contrary to their stated methodology prior to this firestorm.People aren't angry because Blizzard put out some amazing brief that left out a question they wanted answered. They're angry because the document was done in a very unprofessional manner. It was fundamentally flawed from the ground up, not only in the manner in which they chose the questions that were posed to the developers, but in the manner in which those questions were asked. It was not proof read, it was not given any degree of fact checking, it didn't ask the questions that the majority voted on, it didn't answer all the questions that it posted. People are angy because Blizzard hyped this as our only chance to get assured time with the devs on these topics, and Blizzard made the absolutely minimal effort that could still be considered having actually done something. They were either lazy, or incompetent, and the fact that there are people like Allison Robert pointing this out is a serious indictment on the value of the whole AtD system. If Blizzard is smart, they'll cut their losses and not even release the DPS Q&A if they follow the same half assed methodology.
6-15-2011 @ 6:36AM
DragonFireKai: "the fact remains that not only did Blizzard post a cheesy response to a question that didn't need to be put in there"It was the most highly voted question for the region. One of Blizzard's *stated goals* with the Q&A is to be more inclusive with the other forums, something that had been a major sticking point for years. As someone who does follow Blue Tracker, I saw this complaint come up on the EU forums almost daily.DragonFireKai: "but their answer was wrong on multiple levels. They referenced a patch that did not exist, and there were taunts that were still missing, despite their assurances that "patch 3.9" fixed it all."Patch 3.9 existed internally, and was *regularly* referenced publicly...until the last minute when they announced 4.0.1. The fact that Cataclysm had *two* pre-expansion patches (4.0.1 and 4.0.3) caught a lot of people by surprise.DragonFireKai: "All these flaws in an answer to a question that didn't recieve 1/10 as many votes as many more qualified questions that didn't make the cut. The majority didn't think that taunts miss, hell, not even the palty dozen upvotes required to highlight a post as highly rated were tallied. That question slipped through because Blizzard failed to properly weigh their input sources."So Latin American players shouldn't ever count then? That's toeing racism.DragonFireKai: "it didn't ask the questions that the majority voted on..."Yes, it did. You're assuming that the LA answer took up some "slot" of questions. The more likely reality is that if it had never been asked, the Q&A would have been one question shorter.DragonFireKai: "...it didn't answer all the questions that it posted."Bashiok: "Bashiok: "If we haven’t made an announcement on a topic yet, then chances are good we don’t yet think a change is necessary, or we’re not yet sure how we want to fix a problem. Therefore, it should not be surprising that many answers are going to say “we’re still considering it but have no announcements at this time.” If we have an upcoming change to announce, we’ll do that. We're not waiting for a player to ask just the right question."Seriously, why am I having to repost something I've already provided for you?At the end of the day, your attitude towards the whole thing, as well as Allison's and many other players', just reaffirms that Blizzard talking to the community might actually be doing more harm than good. The inability to take these Q&As for what they are, or to apply some perspective to their answers, is just causing a lot of distress.
6-15-2011 @ 12:01PM
I think the problem with this question was more the misinterpretation then the mistranslation. He asked if they could make *all* taunts unable to miss. This is a legitimate question because not *all* taunts are unable to miss, only *most* of them. While he could have asked the question in a less ambiguous way, it was still a fairly unnecessary question to include in the Q&A before more research was done.
6-15-2011 @ 1:24PM
I think the real problem was the lack of questions offered in the Latin American forums in the first place. I have no idea what the number is for the player base in Latin American areas, but what I DO know is that not all Latin Americans speak Spanish. That may have been one reason why the LA forums were so poorly represented, as you're essentially leaving out any Portuguese-speaking players from the Q and A (as well as the many different dialect-speaking players).Or maybe not very many players in Latin America peruse the Blizz forums. Yet another possibility is that these same players were not aware that they were even given the chance to "Ask the Developers," (although to be fair, I don't frequent Blizz's forums much either).Whatever the case may have been, the fact remains: on THIS question, the problem was the question itself. Not necessarily Blizzard's fault.For the record, I know they very much did mess up on the rest of the Q and A as well. I'm not trying to be a fanboy, just explaining this issue was just one of poor circumstance.
6-15-2011 @ 1:31PM
"...another possibility is that these same players were not aware that they were even given the chance to "Ask the Developers," -like myself**-..."sorry, left that out.
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