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6-16-2011 @ 10:15PM
"Wrynn the elder needs to take a dirt nap and quickly. Him and Gross are too busy trying to kill each other and are taking both their factions with them."This is usually the line of reasoning coming from people who've -1. Never read the comics.2. Never interacted with Varian outside the Undercity battle.3. Done the bare minimum of research on Varian's character design and history.Contrary to the belief that Varian is some flat-out warmonger, he actually has a history of extending his hand time and again, even when he has no reason to believe the gesture would be appreciated. He shows respect to members of the Horde who haven't antagonized him or his people:He allows Varok to claim his son's body, and even calls Dranosh a hero.He works with Baine Bloodhoof in 'Stormrage.'Even as late as Cataclysm, Stormwind permits a troll ambassador to park in Stormwind harbor, albeit not without some tension.In the nixed Twilight Highlands intro, Varian even goes so far as to give the Alliance commodore explicit orders to avoid entanglements with the Horde and focus on the Twilight Hammer (which then goes to hell when Garrosh gets trigger-happy).Varian does not treat the Horde the same way Garrosh treats the Alliance, and it's fallacious to equate the two of them. Varian has shown, time and again, that he is open to reconciliation, but that does not mean he will tolerate the excesses shown by the Forsaken and Hellscream. He's a counterpuncher - he lets his enemies make the first move and then hammers them if he sees something he doesn't like.Varian Wrynn is not some one-note "kill Horde, kill, kill, kill" character. Don't try to paint him as one.
6-17-2011 @ 4:33AM
"He's a counterpuncher - he lets his enemies make the first move and then hammers them if he sees something he doesn't like."That's exactly what I don't like about Varian Wrynn. The Horde always seem to make the first move against the Alliance, they always have. When Varian returned I was really excited that the Alliance might finally get a hyper-aggressive leader who isn't afraid to make the first move. Instead, Varian hasn't really done much of anything to advance the overall position of the Alliance since his return.I guess he set up the Council of Three Hammers. Whoopee. I want an act of war against the Horde. I want to burn a Horde settlement to the ground. They're are destroying our towns left and right and all we've done is destroyed camp T which was just dumb. I honestly see destroying camp T as a Horde victory, that's how pointless it was.
6-17-2011 @ 6:53PM
I play the game, I go by how I see it. I don't live the game. That would be a job and I would expect to get paid for it. Seeing as I pay to play the game, I have an opinion just like you. I have done some research on the subject in question before, and I stand by what I have said. Wrynn the elder has had his psychology warped by his experiences, who wouldn't in his position, but he is the king of a nation now, not the once-gladiator anymore. If he cannot put aside his personal problems and deal with the real issues and the real enemies that his nation faces, (not the Horde, no, that could safely be put on the back burner for now), but the Bitch Queen of Undercity and her cohorts (who want to reproduce by killing everything on two legs, whether they be be nominal allies or no) and Deathwing, who, ya know, is only trying to kill us all at the moment. Failure to do so is an indication of the man's uselessness as king. And therefore, he should either accept these responsibilities or leave the stage by force if necessary.
6-18-2011 @ 3:08PM
@ThomasSo, essentially, you're saying that he should ignore the Horde, Ignore his allies' cries for help against the horde and focus solely on the Twilight's Hammer? Hmmm. Interesting, because Varian did say to avoid tangling with the horde in the original Alliance Twilight highlands intro, yet look what happens horde side; The Alliance were STILL attacked. You say he should put aside his feelings for the betterment of his people and he has; the Horde seems to be itching for a fight. Frankly, you should try to do a little more research.
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