Drama Mamas: The trouble with unwanted sexual attention
My (Robin's) current obsession with K-Pop is your fault. I embedded the Run Deathwing Run machinima in a previous column, and a bunch of you commented about SNSD. I looked them up, and now The Spawn and I are obsessed -- which is why you are getting the tenuous connection of the word "trouble" with the above video. /blame
Dear Drama Mamas,
I find myself in the middle of a very troubling situation and am hoping that you can help shed some light! You see I am the GM of an extremely casual raid guild, who happens to be made of a tight knit group of friends. The majority of us have been together (in one guild or another) for nearly 5 years, and we have always taken pride in the fact that our groups have ZERO drama. When we're raiding or doing random heroics, we typically poke fun at each other in vent. But it is never anything that would make someone feel uncomfortable or mean, just good fun.
Unfortunately a situation has arisen recently that has me quite worried! One of our long time members, let's call them X just brought to my attention that they are receiving unwanted and unwarranted "attention" from another member, let's call them Y. "X" stated to me that as soon as they log in, they immediately have random & suggestive Emotes pointed at them – and that they are being followed throughout the game world by "Y". The part that has me quite concerned is because of the Sexual Nature of the "attention" that Y has been showing. It had started as nothing more than the random emotes, but has since escalated into suggestive comments over vent. Now "Y" has always been distant in the past, but never showing anything outside of the norm and is respectful of all other members of our group.
I realize now that we should have put a stop to this situation in its infancy and my gut tells me to just cut our losses and gkick immediately. If it was a situation outside of the Guild there would be no question (contact Blizzard, and let them handle a possible ToS violation), however how should I handle this situation because of the sensitive nature of the problem? Your thoughts & wisdom would be much appreciated!
Sincerely,
Troubled GM
But first: You have no idea what may or may not have gone on between X and Y to precipitate this state of affairs. Please don't leap into this situation based on assumptions about how this situation came to pass and who's actually done what to who.
Communication is your trump card here. You have to talk to Y and let him (or her -- but let's not play pronoun games) know that his attentions and remarks are making others uncomfortable. Yeah, we know that it stinks to be in the hotseat -- but as the GM, it's your job, man. This is something you need to take a big breath and tackle head on.
However, you don't have to approach this like some big police action. There's no need to get accusatory or personal. In fact, I wouldn't even mention X by name. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, after all, so keep a light touch. Tell Y that his flirtatious emotes and quips seem to be catching others off-guard and making them feel uncomfortable. Let him know you'd like him to dial it back.
And that's that. You've let Y know the jig is up, it's not cool, and the Eye of Sauron is upon him. You've made your point without getting into any interpersonal drama; after all, that's X and Y's business. Your business is simply the part that spills over into guild life. Hopefully, the situation ends right there. Be sure to let X know you've had a conversation with Y -- no need to give a play-by-play account -- and to get back with you immediately if the unwanted behavior doesn't stop.
If the situation persists, then most assuredly it's time for stronger action. I'm betting Robin has a few words to say about that ...
One of them has to go. Whoever is the highest rank and/or most valuable to the raid stays and kick the other one.His position was as follows:
- X could have led Y on and is now tired of Y's attention.
- X may be the actual drama queen and is causing problems due to a spat or lack of attention.
- The guild comes first.
I think Lisa's solution is the right one for the first attempt to solve this. If it does persist, then you have to investigate. You are going to need screenshots (privately of course) and you should keep an eye on both X and Y's behavior. I see three outcomes:
- If Y does turn out to be a stalker, you need to kick Y and tell X to put Y on ignore. X needs to immediately report Y to Blizzard Customer Service. Also, X needs to document, document, document. If this ends up bleeding into the physical world, all documentation will help put a stop to it.
- If X turns out to be a drama monger (you will need strong inciting evidence for this one), then X needs to get kicked. But Y still needs to keep the sexual tone of his behavior down.
- If it looks like they are both misbehaving, then I think The Spousal Unit's advice works. Choose the more valuable player of the two and kick the other one -- putting the one you keep on probation.
Let this be a warning to other guild leaders. When I talked to The Spousal Unit about this, he said "I can't even imagine this happening in my guild," and obviously Confused GM felt the same way. People are flawed and it's hard to tell if the tank you really look up to is actually sending pictures of himself in his boxer briefs to your favorite healer. Drama can be bubbling beneath the surface ready to ruin the promising future of your formerly drama-free guild. Putting "No harassment" and "No false accusations" clauses in your easily found, clearly written, strictly adhered-to guild rules will help you minimize the damage should this happen to you.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Debaser Jun 17th 2011 3:18PM
OHMYGAD SNSD I LOVE YOU
Busterzx Jun 17th 2011 3:19PM
I like the fact that gender was left out of the letter that was sent in, to avoid any gender or orientation bias.
I feel that the GMs position should only be to regulate what happens in guild chat/guild vent. If he is acting as a friend to player X, then that's a bit different. Set the rules for gchat and vent that it is not allowed, and player X will need to handle their personal drama on their own, no reason to force a spillover into the guild if it isn't already there.
Suss Jun 17th 2011 3:29PM
Leaving gender out made the entire letter close to unreadable. Using third personal plural instead of third person singular was jarring. I focused on the repeatedly poor writing rather than the issue presented, which is too bad.
However, that video is highly entertaining. Well chosen!
bluesky_v2.01 Jun 17th 2011 3:38PM
The genders in this situation were completely obvious unless you want to play politically-correct.
Muse Jun 17th 2011 3:41PM
@Suss: deal with it. Gendering the letter and advice would have created issues, using the neutral person pronoun doesn't. (and if you're one of Those People: yes, "they" as a single person unknown pronoun is PERFECTLY FINE. You use "you" as a single-or-plural pronoun every day, "they" is no stranger.)
MacAndy Jun 17th 2011 3:48PM
Or was gender actually left out at all?
/dons Cliff Clavin hat
X is the female determinate in human chromosomes, and Y is the male determinate version.
Coincidence, or subtlety?
Noyou Jun 17th 2011 3:52PM
@Macandy
That's how I read it. Subconsciously I think we know who the more aggressive sex is. Unfortunately that is not always the case. But none the less perception is reality.
Thatacus Jun 17th 2011 4:26PM
It could be a male-male or female-female and the case is one just doesn't share the feelings for the other person (or that gender).
JattTheRogue Jun 17th 2011 5:00PM
"I feel that the GMs position should only be to regulate what happens in guild chat/guild vent."
If two guild members are having issues with each other, then it affects the guild, even if it's not happening in gchat/Vent. X needs to be proactive in handling it and if it's bad enough go through Blizzard, but they obviously thought it was guild-related enough to bring it up to the GM, so Confused should step in if it's gotten to the point that X can't deal with it (her)self.
Robin Torres Jun 17th 2011 5:15PM
While I agree with my favorite mailman, Cliffy, that Troubled may have been being subtle, I also think that this is an extremely valid situation with all genders and orientations. Having been openly sexually harassed in the workplace by a fellow female, I can say with certainty that this situation is not confined to boy harassing girl.
Suss Jun 17th 2011 7:19PM
@Muse: How would "gendering [sic] the letter" create bad issues for the discussion? As Robin points out, anyone can be harassed by anyone else. Assigning genders to this single incident in no way changes that global reality.
How does Troubled GM know that the attention is unwanted? How did it start? Was it always unwanted? When did it escalate? Had Troubled GM worked as much at investigating the unwanted attention as employing mushy diction, we would have a more interesting and meaningful description of the situation. A better description would lead to a better discussion.
Brett Porter Jun 18th 2011 9:10AM
Honestly, I don't think X and Y were subtley attempting to mean their chromosomes. Personally, when referring to 2 things/people/whatnot without naming them, X and Y are my go to names. Maybe that's just the math nerd in me. :)
Rubitard Jun 18th 2011 10:46AM
@Robin "Having been openly sexually harassed in the workplace by a fellow female"
Okay, I want you to point on the training dummy where Lisa touched you.
Jaq Jun 17th 2011 3:22PM
How I'd handle it, as a co-GM of my guild: find out who started it, tell them to knock it off, if they didn't, then boot the troublemaker. If the first person led them on, I'd diplomatically ask both to leave.
Nowhere in my decision making process would be how important they are to the raid. Nor should it be.
vocenoctum Jun 17th 2011 4:29PM
I think you'd agree that you will do what is best of the guild and what is right by them. In some guilds, the raid IS the guild. In mine, a social/casual guild, you are right in that there wouldn't be a "who is more useful/important" discussion at all.
Aruhgulah Jun 17th 2011 3:29PM
You seem to have forgotten one very important point:
X needs to grow a pair and tell Y directly to cut it out, that the attention is not wanted, and the innuendos are not welcome. If it continues past that point, then X should be encouraged to file a complaint with Blizzard for harassment, slap Y on /ignore, THEN the GMs should proceed as advised above (and I would request screenshots of the X/Y cut-it-out chat before making any move to gkick either of them).
Noyou Jun 17th 2011 3:49PM
Except for one thing: If the sexual innuendos are happening in public they can offend anyone and everyone or no one. My philosophy on the matter is this: as soon as someone is uncomfortable with something it should be stopped. Period. Doesn't matter who led who on. It's a trip to see how certain people act in game sometimes. People can change on you at the drop of a hat. But that's life. You should respect their wishes and their personal space. Some people are just not comfortable directly confronting others. That's why they tell a 3rd party in hopes that they may say something to the "offender". Is it right? Probably not but it happens quite a lot. I would totally urge them to speak 1 on 1 with the person if they haven't. If they do and they ignore it I would get them both together in a party and discuss it. Take necessary actions from there. Hope it works out for you all.
Leto Jun 17th 2011 3:50PM
I'm with this as well. Two things need to happen. First, the GM should let Y know that their consistant flirting is making guild members uncomfortable and that such flirting should be a private thing. Second, X needs to tell Y that they're uncomfortable with it. It's very very very immature to ask someone else to turn a flirt down for you. Last I checked, we were supposed to grow out of that in middle school.
Ultimately, it really should be between X and Y, and the GM's only role should be as a consultant. Not a mediator, not a jury, and not a judge. It's something they should work out with each other like the adults I'm assuming they are.
Aruhgulah Jun 17th 2011 4:28PM
@Noyou: if the innuendos are happening in public and guild chat and making more than just X uncomfortable, then yes, the GM (and other officers) should step in and tell Y to cut it out in guild chat & vent -- the letter states the comments just recently started in Vent, but didn't indicate whether other guildies were having issues with them or not.
But X still needs to take some personal responsibility and make it very clear to Y to cut it out. The boundary needs to be established first, THEN when it's broken, Blizz and the GMs can take action.
Maribel Jun 17th 2011 4:39PM
Why the assumption that X hasn't said anything to shut it down? Maybe s/he tried and is turning to others as the next step. Maybe Y's attention escalated as a result of X trying to put a stop to it. The only details we have regard Y's behavior, including the distinctly creepy following X around through the game world. That isn't just flirting, this reads like a deliberate attempt to irritate and unsettle X. And if it is, then having X say "stop it, I don't like this behavior" isn't going to make it any better, because if the whole point is getting a reaction, that's proof that it worked.
I just don't read it as "Y is trying to flirt and is clueless about the reception s/he's getting" - I see "Y is deliberately trying to make X uncomfortable or angry." At that point, it doesn't really matter if Y is doing that because X and Y had a flirtation that went sour, or any other reason that Y might consider justification. Stalking your ex is just as bad as stalking a stranger.