^^^ on million billion times.

25 man raid guilds have dropped off the face of azeroth. perhaps the bleeding edge guilds managed to maintain their memberships; i'm sure high end guilds have no trouble recruiting from all the fallouts from the more casual raiding 25s... but it's so painfully obvious that the VAST majority of 25 man teams have folded in favour of the easier to maintain 10 mans.

and once again, why not? why bother trying to keep a roster of 30 'great' players for 25 man teams, when it's just soooo much easier to manage a 'great' roster of 12-15 players for a ten man team. what's the benefit to 25s again? more loot? hmm. eventually blizzard gives away the loot anyway, so just wait long enough and they'll nerf content and hand over epics so that's really not much of an incentive (again, for less-than-hardcore teams; ie: the vast majority of us)...

plus, the idea that some folks have that you can raid with 23 or 24 people if a few don't show up (that's the argument used by many people who claim that 10s are 'harder'. bah!. 10s are cake compared to 25s. everyone who has done both knows this as fact) is totally B.S. No raid have ever been tuned to work for less than the full complement.

anyway, would have been nice to have separate cheeves depending on the raid team size. too bad.