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6-18-2011 @ 12:10PM
So, considering that Cataclysm started with the Alliance feeling like they were having to play catchup. And then patch 4.1 was the Troll patch with Horde NPC Vol'jin leading the charge on both sides to taken down the Amani and Gurabashi uprisings. And now with 4.2 we get Thrall being the lead NPC to introduce the Firelands patch and will be the center of a big quest chain. Think there'll ever be an important Alliance NPC (Hopefully not Jaina) actually leading the charge at some point in Cataclysm? Or is it going to continue to be the, "Horde shall inherit Azeroth," expansion?
6-18-2011 @ 12:21PM
Yeah, let's give that Alliance guy Tirion Fordring something to do! He hasn't had anything to do this expansion after having had a major role in the previous expansion! That doesn't matter though, that's old content....Alliance guys must be involved all the time!Oh, what is it....Tirion Fordring is not related to the Alliance you say? He's a neutral character? Oh bugger me, here I thought Thrall was neutral too.
6-18-2011 @ 12:24PM
I think the alliance had there on stage time Wrath and now horde will get most of it this xpack. I am a alliance guy. I also think Thrall isn't so much horde though he isn't anything right now he is trying to save everyone.
6-18-2011 @ 12:38PM
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying hoot about what faction the NPCs around me are? Even in character I'm primarily concerned with defeating the problem at hand, the need to squelch evildoers overpowering any petty racial squabbles I have.
6-18-2011 @ 12:52PM
I'm not bothered by Thrall being in the spotlight. He's a very relatable character for both factions.After all, Shaman are the iconic Horde class, so it would've been weird to have a Dwarven or Broken Shaman in charge, just as it would've been strange to see a Tauren or Blood Elf in charge of the Argent Crusade.
6-18-2011 @ 12:59PM
I don't honestly think it matters very much but I do think that this favors horde more than wrath favored alliance. Thrall was and Vol'jin is a faction leader of the horde. Tirion was a dishonored paladin who was REJECTED from the Alliance. Not quite the same thing.
6-18-2011 @ 1:16PM
Knob, I'd say Tirion and Thrall aren't even on the same level of Neutrality at all. Tirion has never really been pro-Alliance in game. When he first appeared in Vanilla, he gave his quests to both Horde and Alliance PCs and was ostensibly thrown out of the Alliance for daring to befriend a member of the Horde. In Wrath, he appeared in an Alliance village briefly, but was otherwise in the AC camps, where he didn't say anything really pro-Alliance. In the Tournament, he let Garrosh fling baseless accusations against the Alliance without defending them at all. In the Cataclysm era, the Forsaken are killing Alliance humans and resurrecting them into likely mind-controlled Forsaken drudges right on his doorstep (Not to mention replaguing the Plaguelanes), and he hasn't so much as protested.Thrall, in the meantime, was the head of the Horde at the time it was making war on the Alliance, in Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. Under his leadership, the Horde was slaughtering the Night Elves in Kalimdor and Humans in Arathi and Lordaeron, and while he gave lip service to peace when it was convenient, he generally did nothing real to stop the War. In the Goblin starting area, after he was ostensibly "neutral," He killed hundreds of Alliance soldiers indiscriminately in the Goblin starting zone, then sent Garrosh a bloodied Alliance emblem, ostensibly provoking him into war with the Alliance in the first place. In the trailer, the focus is almost primarily on the Horde and on Ogrimmar. The Welfare of the Horde is very obviously the first thing in Thrall's mind.Tirion is Human. He's not really Alliance, if he ever was. Thrall is Orc, but he is also Horde through and through.
6-18-2011 @ 1:31PM
sure Tirion was a human, and at some point would have been part of the Alliance, but he was neutral so who cares?as for Alliance main force in wrath ...WHO?Arthas? he quit being in the allaince when he became a death knightthe only other one i could think of is Balvor Fordragon, but he wasn't a main character in the endgame until the last content patch, and only if you downed the LKsure there was Wrathgate, but Suarfang was the horde commander there and we fought him in ICC as well....that said, i dont mind Thrall being a main driving character in Cata. Thrall was a great leader, and Azeroths greatest shaman. I would be disapointed if he wasnt in that position! (and i play alliance!)although i am glad Garrosh is in power now, i dont feel so bad raiding Ogrimar now lolon the other side, we alliance do have the most powerful druid in malfurion stormrage so it kinda balances....maybe?basically who cares which side the driving characters are from?as long as it is decent content i am happy!
6-18-2011 @ 1:30PM
"Oh bugger me, here I thought Thrall was neutral too."Thrall is neutral now, but it's a little different having the leader of the entire Horde become the neutral centerpiece character than it was having an Alliance paladin become one. Tirion was a lot less prevalent in lore/the game before stepping up in Wrath than Thrall was before Cata. I'm not saying it's necessarily a huge deal, but you can't really compare the two.
6-18-2011 @ 1:42PM
This is a very shaman-focused expansion, what with all the elementals everywhere, and most of the pre-existing significant shaman in lore have been Horde.
6-18-2011 @ 1:46PM
True, looking at it from that perspective, Cata indeed did give Garrosh and Sylvanas some time in the spotlight. Yet, in my opinion the way they used that time is plenty to crown them King and Queen Dick, respectively. Crafty ol' Vol'Jin has my support thanks to the Zul'Again grind operation, and Thrall making a more meaningful appearance kinda makes sense, what with him being the figurehead of the Earthen Ring nowadays.As for an Alliance leader taking the spotlight... Meckatorque is probably thinking how to renovate Gnomeregan if they ever manage to take it back, Magni is busy bein' stoned like he's never been before, and Muradin's testing his own patience by seeing how long he can keep himself from kicking the Dark Irons the hell out of Ironforge. Velen's got better things to do, preparing for a war some years (or decades/centuries, since for someone of his age 'soon' can be a quite relative term) away. Tyrande & Malfurion seem occupied with doing nothing about Ashenvale and the Horde invasion, Greymane's chillin' next to Varian, who's equally unable to do diddly squat as the Night Elf duo. And of course, Jaina seems busy with... Oh who am I kidding, there's absolutely no info on what the heck is she planning, or even if she intends to make a single appearance during the entire expansion.So far the only Alliance "leader" who's actually managed to do anything constructive in the last half a year seems to be Brann, and the rest don't seem like they're gonna do anything major, much less pull a Vol'Jin and tell the Horde they're free to tag along.
6-18-2011 @ 1:48PM
Daniel, we could argue forever about most of your points, but I don't think its killing "indiscriminately" when its the guys who just kidnapped you (on your way to keep the world from collapsing) and then went on to attempt to kill any *potential* witnesses to the kidnapping.
6-18-2011 @ 2:05PM
I like how it's okay for Thrall to kill Alliance troops in anger but not for Varian Wrynn to even speak badly of the Horde guys. :D
6-18-2011 @ 3:04PM
@SR: It's okay to kill the people who are attacking you, holding you captive, etc. It's not okay to kill people who've never done anything at all to you, they just happen to look like people who did. Thus, if Varian or Thrall kill a bunch of enemy troops engaged in battle against them, it's fine. If they suggest an entire race of people should be wiped out, despite the fact that most of them have never done anything other than farm their farms, love their wives, raise their children, etc, that makes them a hideously evil person. I know it's extremely hard for the average WoW player to understand, but racism is evil. You are not justified in killing someone who's never done anything to you, even if they happen to be the same color skin (even green) as people who did. That's why Thrall is one of WoW's good guys, and Varian is an evil bastard. Thrall likes humans who don't try to kill him. Varian hates all orcs, even ones he's never met.
6-18-2011 @ 4:42PM
@Artificial. . . Except he's never been involved in quests that involved killing orcs. Not to mention, if he DID indeed hate all orcs indiscriminately, then he would have slain Saurfang on the spot while he was claiming his son's corpse.I'm not to say that Thrall wouldn't allow the same if... Say, Varian was retrieving Bolvar's corpse, but you're making it sound as if Varian lacks any form of respect and dignity.And honestly, can you blame him? Every time he's dealt with orcs concerning peace, he's been stabbed in the back (Figuratively and literally, for his peers). I wouldn't blame you if you came to hate a certain group due to certain circumstances.
6-18-2011 @ 4:48PM
Tirion Fordring took center stage during a time that he was no longer Alliance.Thrall took center stage during a time that he was no longer Horde.Basic facts.
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