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6-23-2011 @ 3:18PM
So did Blizz just confirm that the Old Gods WERE on Azeroth before the Titans? That's how I read it, anyway.
6-23-2011 @ 3:21PM
The Old Gods were on Azeroth before the Titans came around. It's been said that they found they couldn't remove them from the planet, as they're integrated with it. They just chained them up and put them away to limit their destructive tendencies.
6-23-2011 @ 3:37PM
Except that there are other stories in WoW about that; one has it that the Titans came first, spruced up the place, then went moseying off. While they were gone, the Old Gods found the place, started squatting there, and made it into their very own Thunderdome for ALL ELEMENTALS, ALL THE TIME! TWO ELEMENTS ENTER! ONE ELEMENTAL LEAVES! THEN, A SHORT TIME LATER, THE OTHER ELEMENTAL LEAVES AS THE WINNER! Sorry. Got carried away there.Anyway, the Titans show back up, get angry because the Old Gods emptied out the fridge, puked on the carpet, and ran up the electric bill, then collectively threw down, chaining the Old Gods in the basement and gentrifying the place while hoping that the next race to come along to look at it wouldn't notice the funky smell downstairs.Anyway, that's how I remember it. TLDR: Two versions of the story.
6-23-2011 @ 3:50PM
I don't think the question is whether the old gods were on Azeroth before the last time the titans came, but whether it was "titans came, then old gods came, then titans return" or some other sequence of events.The answer seems to say that the old gods arrival to battle the Old Gods was an arrival rather than a return, but it's an arguement in semantics and wasn't the focus of the question, so I don't think you can really say.
6-23-2011 @ 4:17PM
I think too they were talking about the Titan's return to Azeroth. The first time they created everything, the second time they found out there where Old Gods and elementals everywhere, as well as the aquir and trolls. Its hard to believe that these races were there before the planet was created, as it was the first time they came.
6-23-2011 @ 4:39PM
I thought the Titans-- on their ongoing quest to structure planets-- found Azeroth next on their journey. When they got there, they encountered the elementals whose allegiance was bound to the Old Gods. Titans didn't like the Old Gods because they just seemed to be beings of "unfathomable evil," whatever that means. So the Titans went to war with the Elementals and the Old Gods, etc etc, chained and imprisoned the Old Gods when the Elementals were defeated, etc etc, then the Titans went to work on Azeroth, and voila! Azeroth as we know it!That's kinda how I read the bit about "The Ordering of Azeroth", anyway.http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/story-so-far/chapter-1/3#readmodeI've actually never heard the story where the Titans came first, then the Old Gods, then the Titans came back to spank some serious tentacle behind. Anyone got a source for it? I'm really really curious now.
6-23-2011 @ 5:02PM
The primary source of the "Titans first" story is the Tribunal of Ages, which as a Titan machine is vulnerable to "unreliable narrator" syndrome. Or in essence, everything it said was Titan propaganda.In particular: Brann Bronzebeard yells: Query? What do you think I’m here for? Tea and biscuits? Spill the beans already! Tell me how that dwarfs came to be! And start at the beginning! Abedneum yells: Accessing prehistoric data. Retrieved. In the beginning Earthen were created to- Brann Bronzebeard yells: Right, right! I know that the Earthen were made of stone to shape the deep reaches of the world but what about the anomalies? Matrix non-stabilizing and whatnot. Abedneum yells: Accessing. In the early stages of its development cycle Azeroth suffered infection by parasitic, necrophotic symbiotes. Brann Bronzebeard yells: Necro-what? Speak bloody common will ya? Abedneum yells: Designation: Old Gods. Old Gods rendered all systems, including Earthen defenseless in order to facilitate assimilation. This matrix destabilization has been termed the Curse of Flesh. Effects of destabilization increased over time.
6-23-2011 @ 6:45PM
I actually read the Tribunal as the Old Gods going through and corrupting things from their imprisonment after the Titans ran off to go create more order from chaos on other planets next on their journey.What better way to piss off the Titans than to corrupt their own creations to recreate chaos from the order they'd just installed? The Old Gods *love* chaos and destruction, if an Old God could love something. The Titans knew that there was a chance the Old Gods would attempt regaining control of Azeroth after they left, which was why they created the Keepers, with Loken being the trigger. They had no idea, however, that the Old Gods would actually attack from all sides-- corrupting the Earthen *and* the Keepers, namely Loken-- rather than starting from the bottom and working their way up.When adventurers (being us players) killed Loken in Halls of Lightning, we essentially tripped the alarm that signaled Algalon to come and kick off the reorigination program. According to Algalon, this sort of thing happens all the time-- things don't go according to plan, the planet's creatures run amok, etc etc-- and it requires pushing restart on the whole thing. When adventurers encounter Algalon and successfully defeat him, he's baffled because no one else had protested when he came to push restart. It just happened. And yet here we are, the imperfect bastards of the Titan's master plan, thwarting their own machinations.Long story short: The Titans seriously underestimated the power of the Old Gods and their abilities, even while confined and, supposedly, subdued.
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