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6-23-2011 @ 4:09PM
Oh lordy. Warcraft lore gets more and more complex every time a blue opens their mouth. The connection between troll regeneration and the loa seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Like...every troll has to be somewhat religious in order to maintain their regenerative powers? That's...strange.Plus the thing about Worgen be "difficult to corrupt" with undeath doesn't really make sense. It's not a corruption is it? You die, then you get resurrected as an undead, simple as that. At that point...the worgen is just a corpse on the ground...what do the undead care if it's a little more difficult to resurrect? They have all the time in the world.
6-23-2011 @ 4:43PM
Keep in mind that the troll regeneration question was answered from a standpoint within Troll culture (cul'tcha?). The actual *biological* reason is probably just "most trolls can't regenerate major damage" - in Vanilla there was a troll legend in STV about a troll whose arm wouldn't regrow. Also Zul'jin was tortured before cutting off his own arm, so his body was probably in a fair amount of physiological stress at the time.
6-23-2011 @ 5:00PM
The loa thing might just be the same as a blessing or curse from the gods.And about the worgen; I think what they're saying is that the val'kyr don't have enough power available to them to raise the worgen. Why? Dunno. I suspect that if they were still connected to the Lich King, they could, but the curse offers a measure of resistance to the curse of undeath.
6-23-2011 @ 5:20PM
@Fletcher I tried finding a lore reference where a troll regenerated a limb, and I couldn't. There is a lot of mention of them being able to heal wounds very very quickly but nothing about limbs. I certainly remember hearing about it, but that might have been from the RPG. So either a.) trolls can't regrow their limbs or b.) they can if they are in a very high standing with the loa spirits, but this is rare, hence the legends.@TelwarThen couldn't they have just come out and said that? That would be pretty cut and dry right? But they didn't because my guess is their covering their ass in case there is some sort of worgen necromancy that has gone on/will go on.
6-23-2011 @ 5:29PM
Wasn't it also established that A: Zul'jin was tortured magically by High/Blood Elves (I forget which) after being captured, greatly weakening him, and that B: after cutting his own arm off to escape, he cauterized it with a torch to avoid bleeding to death? Whether nor not trolls can regrow entire limbs, I'd guess that that particular combination would put the kibosh on it regrowing. Certainly plenty of fantasy sources have cauterization serving to stop trollish regeneration.
6-23-2011 @ 5:53PM
Hercules cauterized the hydra to stop the heads from coming back and more from spawning.
6-23-2011 @ 6:39PM
WIth regards to the worgen curse, it makes sense when you think about it."Curse" is a strong word to throw around; in this case it should be looked at purely as an "influence" and not strictly as a negative affect as it usually is. The fact is that, as stated, its roots lie with the Emerald Dream and the powers of an ancient and a holy entity. When someone either contracts the "worgen influence" or imbibes willingly, they are absorbing a power which, by all evidential lore, would be immune to undeath and therefore granting them some of the same resistance. When this person dies, they are still "under the influence."The Val'kyr, while effective in their own rights, are only fractionally as powerful as the Lich King; less so now that there's new management. It stands to reason that their power, diminished or not, would have little effect on a being imbued with an essence that is quite literally the polar opposite of undeath.
6-23-2011 @ 11:12PM
I agree with Fletcher about this answer being from a troll culture perspective, especially when coupled with the answer about the loa/Ancients. Petty troll loa bestowing gifts to those that fervently worship them doesn't really match up with the image of noble night elf Ancients.Really though, I think Blizzard did kind of screw themselves over with the questions raised by the Vol'jin incident by trying to dance around it so much. I found it rather simple: (remember; my interpretation of events) troll can regrow limbs, organs, etc, if given enough time, depending on severity. The high elves torture Vol'jin with magic weapons that prevent regeneration because otherwise he just wouldn't really care if they took out his eye (though they could've gone the Prometheus route and kept taking it out over and over, causing a lot of pain). When Vol'jin got his chance to escape he grabbed the closest weapon nearby: a magical high elf blade. To him, escape was more important than his arm, so was willing to permanently sacrifice it to escape them.See that? Doesn't conflict with preexisting lore about troll regeneration and is sensisble and simple. I think Blizzard gets too wrapped up sometimes trying to hide some facts (that really aren't that big of a deal) and over think questions that could have much simpler answers.
6-24-2011 @ 1:23PM
"Plus the thing about Worgen be "difficult to corrupt" with undeath doesn't really make sense. It's not a corruption is it?"Of course undeath is corruption. Without corruption, a dead thing stays dead. (Nevermind resurrection, as that is a miracle when done "for good" or simply a gameplay mechanic. And ressing doesn't make someoneUNdead.) So yeah, a being is corrupted when it is raised as an undead. That ain't natural.
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