Drama Mamas: Too shy to change guilds
I was going to go with a favorite video from the 80's for this week's embed, but then I caught the above video on Moviewatch and it seemed serendipitous.
Dear Drama Mamas
We on the other side of the globe (read Europe) also read WoW Insider and I personally enjoy your little space on WoW Insider very much. However I have a problem and of course I wouldn't be writing to you otherwise.
Here's the case. I have been in a semi-hardcore guild for the past 2 years. When I first got there it was a friendly guild with lots of activities and fun and, most important for me, progress. I loved to raid with them because I got to see bosses I hadn't seen before due to my old guild not having so much progress. This raiding only made me want to do more and more until cutting edge progress was the thing I (and to some extent the guild) was aiming for.
We have had some ups and downs and an almost disband but the guild pulled through due to people from some other guilds joining ours. Lately however I've been feeling more and more out of place in the guild. Our progress has virtually come to a halt, even raids on Wednesdays (which is patch day for us Europeans) have been called off because people aren't showing up and the days we do raid our progress is being halted by the same people failing over and over again. I myself play an Enhancement Shaman and am one of the two DPS shamans in the guild which forces me to be more of an utility person than an actual DPSer. I have to do interrupts on almost all fights and if I'm not around there's even some bosses the guild can't do because no one else wants to/can interrupt etc.
I've been trying to make it work for the past few weeks but I feel more and more exhausted by the guild and sadly it's also sucking the fun out of my play so I've been thinking about a guild switch to another server, and not just some guild but a guild that's good on progress as well. I have the time for progression (currently not in school or anything) and the dedication to keep up with the class I play. My problem is that I'm a female and a shy female at that so I don't have the courage to ask around about guilds and rules and other stuff which leaves me with few options.
What should I do? Hang around in my old guild and hope the tides turn for the better or suck up my courage and apply to the guild I'd love to be in?
Please help!
Doubting and Shy
Now then. The part of your question I'm most concerned about is your claim that "My problem is that I'm a female and a shy female at that so I don't have the courage to ask around about guilds and rules and other stuff which leaves me with few options." Girl ... stuff and nonsense. There's no courage required whatsoever to clicking around forums and websites to evaluate potential guilds' rules and cultures.
I can tell by your note that you've got your stuff together, so pick through the possibilities and then get your app out there. We ran an article recently -- sec, let me shuffle through here, I know I edited it just the other day ... Ah, here it is: A rogue's resume. The suggestions Chase makes sound tailor-made to spotlight your skill and experience -- documenting all those interrupts would be huge for your class and spec.
So let's get down to brass tacks: You knew we were going to tell you to kick some brass and reach for the brass ring, because continuing to play in a group you're not having any fun with is just brass-ackwards ... (Okay, okay ...) But seriously -- enough with the brass. It's time for a spine of steel. I'm sure your current guild is full of nice folks and you'll miss some of them (and they, you!) immeasurably once you've moved on. But there are more nice folks in other guilds, too -- and more importantly, more fun tackling content you're jonesing to dig into.
So get to digging!
You need a three step attack:
- Prepare diligently As Lisa says, preparing a potent resume is key for selling yourself with confidence.
- Search intelligently Make a list of things that are mandatory for your new guild to have, things that aren't necessary but would be nice, and things the guild absolutely cannot have. Then look through guild advertisements on server forums and here in The Classifieds to find guilds that match your list. Don't bother with any guild that doesn't have what you need or that has what you can't deal with. If you find no guilds match your needs, adjust your list.
- Apply accurately Most guilds (and employers) won't even bother to respond to your application if you don't follow the directions stated in their application process. And really, if you can't follow instructions when not pressed for time, how can you be expected to do so in a raid situation?
Once a guild accepts you, you will of course have to interact. But here is where your shyness will actually come in handy. It is always better when you are the new person in a situation (guild, team, office, class, etc.) to be quiet and low-key for the first couple encounters. Of course, you should answer questions and contribute as necessary, but warming up to a new guild allows you to keep your eyes and ears open to really observe your new teammates. Are they right for you? Are you right for them? Once you've had a chance to warm up to them, they'll have seen you're not a loudmouth trying to prove your awesomeness with words instead of actions.
If you find a good fit on the first attempt, great! If you don't, try not to be discouraged. As you've discovered, your guild severely affects your in-game fun. It's better to have a couple false starts before you find a good home than to not try at all. Good luck and let us know what happens!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Telwar Jun 24th 2011 4:42PM
If you have friends in other guilds, see if they might have openings. That's how I got into mine, and you'll have at least one friendly face there.
The Dewd Jun 24th 2011 4:18PM
Something else to consider is using the new Guild Finder to your advantage. You could roll a low-level alt on another server you're thinking of transferring to (if you have one in mind) and see what sort of openings are listed there. Maybe even check some of the guild progression websites and see what guilds are at a level you would feel comfortable with. Whether it's 12/12 regular or 13/13 HC.
Trisnic Jun 24th 2011 6:58PM
This isn't a terrible idea. I did want to mention though that all guilds which are on the guild finder may not be viable to a newly created alt. We had "all levels" checked off so that off-realm people could find our guild through it but we got so many requests from sub-85s we stopped and this is likely the case with many end game guilds.
It's probably better to visit the official realm forums or even the guild recruitment forums (and then the guild websites) to find a guild that fits.
Necromann Jun 24th 2011 4:20PM
It seems D&S's guild needs her more than she needs, or wants, them. Including logs of your interupts in your application to another guild would be a great.
Matthew Jun 24th 2011 4:28PM
RP servers tend to be less sexist. Not including pornshire on Moon Guard.
Maribel Jun 24th 2011 4:59PM
This is true. Also, good work - I read that "I'm a female and I'm shy" and couldn't figure out why she'd think being female would make it harder for her to hunt for guilds. I'm just spoiled by mine, I guess. And haven't searched for a guild in three years.
A lot of people will say there's not much progression raiding on RP servers, but it exists. Just try to make sure you have at least one backup before you transfer so you aren't stuck with "there's one guild on this server and faction that fits my needs and I hate it."
Katherine Jun 24th 2011 6:30PM
There are a lot of explicitly women-friendly guilds out there - the WoW Ladies Livejournal has advertisements for guilds of all shapes and sizes on many servers.
LynMars Jun 24th 2011 6:37PM
I've actually had the opposite come up where a guy was afraid we'd judge him because he plays a female character. We're an RP server; lots of people play characters of a gender, even sexual orientation, not their own. Because it's all pretend and IC =/= OOC. I had to assure that player that being male IRL had no effect on his app to our RP guild.
We don't ask for RL gender or other info on our application; he volunteered that info out of nervousness. We're more interested in the character, as the player's personality can come through in their write up and their interactions with us well enough. We ask for pertinent OOC info that may affect gameplay--time zone issues, job, class, family--but it's all at the discretion of the applicant.
Generally the "oh! So-and-so's a guy/girl" is more of a "huh" response and people get on with their lives because on my server, no one really cares that I've found, whether for RP or Raiding or PvP. Often it's seen that they played their character's gender well enough that people weren't immediately clued in.
Xantenise Jun 24th 2011 7:28PM
The majority of people I know on RP servers are women. People of both sexes are pretty mature, as well.
Trisnic Jun 24th 2011 7:41PM
I agree with this completely. I played on an RP server for a year and a half and there were lots of females. On the RP server it was not at all weird to be female and it felt more like you could "be yourself". I'm on a PvP server now and it's night and day. The only thing is that RP servers don't tend to have as much progression, and "Doubting and Shy" really seems to want a hardcore guild, so before any thoughts of moving to an RP sever make sure the server progress is what you want.
Suss Jun 24th 2011 4:37PM
Lots of guilds are burned out right now, and many will come back with the new content. I'd warn Shy that any new guild she joins might have old members coming back so no matter what they promise now, they may not deliver upon her arrival.
Vitasia Jun 24th 2011 4:48PM
Yeah, the summer months are killer for any guild, but I found the ones worth sticking with fight through the summer doldrums and keep rocking it.
I would recommend checking out the Tankspot or EJ forums for guild recruitment info. Competent interrupters are always in high demand, as long as you have logs to prove it.
As for being a woman, I wouldn't tell anyone for a while. I know there are several girls in our guild who don't let the general public know they are women; they let everyone assume they are dudes playing girl toons. It'll eventually come up in conversation, but only when you feel comfortable with the new group of peeps.
Randy Jun 24th 2011 4:58PM
Vitasia-
It is never a good thing to "withold" information due to gender, race, sexual orientation, and so on. I understand the stereotype involved, but you should never hide who you are for the sake of "fitting in". Your guild will feel even more violated because you lied in the first place.
Now I am not saying you should go around and scream you are a woman every 2 seconds, but if the question comes up, be prideful! No shame in who you are.
Maribel Jun 24th 2011 5:06PM
Maybe yes, maybe no - I've joined new guilds without telling them first that I was female, and they tended to assume I was male, maybe because I was a tank. It may have gotten me a bit more respect, or less doubt that I could tank, that kind of thing. But you'll eventually have to say something on Vent, and I never appreciated the "OMG WOMAN" reaction I'd get at that point. Better to just be upfront.
Necromann Jun 24th 2011 5:27PM
My guild's GM and 1/3 to 1/2 of the officers are women. As a whole, the vent population is about the same ratio as the officers.
Maribel Jun 24th 2011 6:37PM
Necro - Yeah, my current guild is about 50-50 too, and one of our raid leaders is a woman. But if I were guild-shopping again, I'd consider guilds like this a pleasant surprise, not the norm. Presumably the LW doesn't expect to find that either.
Paulduchesne1337 Jun 24th 2011 5:01PM
That truly awesome video reminds me of "The Superintendent's Sorrow" By LRR. (http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/341/The-Superintendents-Sorrow)
Vitasia Jun 24th 2011 5:02PM
I think there's a difference between having pride in who you are, and acknowledging the very real stigmas attached to women gamers: they "can't play," or are only around to suck gear off other people. Heaven forbid one of the gamer guys finds out and develops a crush that develops into near-stalking levels.
From my perspective, knowing my guildies' genders doesn't help me raid with them better. I do want to learn about them, but as long as you are a capable raider, everything else falls under the "need to know" category.
Necromann Jun 24th 2011 5:32PM
My GM is a women and is dating one our lower officers. He was officer and warrior class leader before the relationship, I think, so there was no favoritism, plus he is not a high officer. The GM's last boyfriend was a raid leader before he left the guild before we started cata raiding.
Robin Torres Jun 24th 2011 7:02PM
This is timely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEuZatRNwnI&feature=youtu.be