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6-27-2011 @ 3:42PM
It's going to be painful, but you might try letting the second team people go raid one night and see how badly they do. That might also be a good motivation for getting them to work. If they haven't been in yet, they might think you're being too strict regarding requirements. Another option is to pug people. If they see you filling with pugs instead of guildies, they know you're serious about the requirements and might put forth some effort. Either of those might motivate your lazy people to get their butts in gear.
6-27-2011 @ 3:48PM
AND you might find yourself with some new members interested in putting in the effort
6-27-2011 @ 4:01PM
This. My old guild in BC did this with our 2nd raid group. The raid leader (GM on his alt) took our undergeared, zero-experience raid team into Karazhan and....they failed horrendously. 5 people gquit immediately, stating they play the game for fun, not to bash their heads on a boss for hours. The rest of the group farmed heroics and rep for weeks to get in and get it done. It was great.
6-27-2011 @ 6:11PM
What's a little more illuminating to the players is having them do an "outdated" raid and have them humbled at how difficult it is. Try to get them to do ICC with the achievements.In fact, if they stand by their priorities, they may want to ONLY do outdated raids.I had considered doing that before I actually got the opportunity to try a casual raid for Cataclysm content. It certainly has some crazy encounters, but others were just fine. I'm hoping the 4.2 nerfs make them all just moderately challenging. (I found Valiona & Theralion to be just right in 4.1, but Ascendant Council & Throne of the Four Winds were just nuts.)It may be that without increasing the frequency of updates, that there is no middle-ground between professional raiding and doing outdated content. Either you do the same (recent) content for months on end because you can't beat it, or you beat it (outdated content) and then have nothing to do.
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