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6-28-2011 @ 11:10AM
Whenever anyone describes the Emerald Dream, they say it's the world as it would exist without sentient races mucking about with it. And yet in every instance we enter the Dream in-game, there's still all the architecture from sentient races (usually Night Elf). Whether it's the elven torii arches in moonglade for the Crusader Bridenbrand chain or the entirety of a druid barrow den to escort Fandral Staghelm through, there's crafted objects everywhere. In the War of the Ancients trilogy, Malfurion even spies on the real world directly from the Dream, not just walking through the buildings but actually looking in on the Highborne and affecting them as they work on the portal for the Burning Legion. There's a heck of a lot of man/elf-made objects in this world that is supposedly untouched by the mortal races, and without the novels I'd have just assumed it was the dev team not wanting to remake an entire area just to remove these objects. Also, while on the War of the Ancients, in the novels Krasus is SEVERELY weakened by being in the same time as another version of himself and is only relatively healthy when in close proximity to his other self. Yet in all the Caverns of Time instances you are not at all weakened, even though the players would amost certainly have existed for many of those events. Even outside of the instances, when doing the quests for Chromie in Dragonblight, even though you are close to your future/past self there is no weakening or mention of any ill effect. Is there any lore reason for thisproblem not affecting the players, or is it just a Knaack invention in the first place that the Blizzard team just kinda ignores?
6-28-2011 @ 11:40AM
Would the explanation "A wizard did it" suffice for you question regarding Krasus? Or maybe a dragon? I'd think that since for nearly all of the CoT instances we were sent there by the bronze dragon flight. (And who knows, maybe they were just watching from the shadows in Hyjal) I'd think working with the flight that meddle with time might give us some protection, protection Krasus was lacking because of the state Nozdormu was in at the time.
6-28-2011 @ 11:46AM
Never try and unite book canon and game canon. For anything. Ever.Very few writers are good at game genre writing (ie actually reading the existing canon and making new stuff fit with in it smoothly). Especially as the people who normally do game genre writing failed in the "real world" of Serious Literature™.
6-28-2011 @ 11:51AM
It's been a while since I've read War of the Ancients (And I've never read whichever book it was that featured Varian beating up bad dreams), but it seems to me that a fairly reasonable explanation would be that there are multiple 'levels' on the way to the Emerald Dream; that we players have only been sent to a fairly low level of it, one that is essentially the world as it is, but cut off from the real world and inundated with Emerald Dream energies. This would be something similar to, but different from, the Dream that hibernating druids walk.It also kind of makes sense for the Barrow Dens to there. After all, the druids need somewhere to pop into the Dream. Sure would suck to go into hibernation and be buried alive for however many millennia you set the alarm clock for.
6-28-2011 @ 12:41PM
The Emerald Dream has many, many, many layers. While the bulk of it does indeed represent what Azeroth would be with out sentient beings, there are some layers which are much closer to the material world. Yet other layers are on the other extreme of the spectrum with half-finished mountains and barely any life at all. I suppose what I'm saying is that the Emerald Dream is an ogre....I mean, onion.
6-28-2011 @ 12:44PM
Here's the easy-cheesy explanation for Krasus getting weaker (keep in mind I've never read the books, so I'm going off your post entirely): the more powerful a being, the harder it is to "split" into different times and the greater effect it has on you. As relatively (as compared to a big bad dragon like Krasus) powerless humanoids, the effect is negligible. There. Can I write some books now?
6-28-2011 @ 12:51PM
I wonder if Krasus' condition had to do with him being a powerful entity, and with him being sent 10,000 years back - as in, 10,000 years that he already lived through. Rhonin, in comparison, only lived for 30-40 of the 10,000 years he was sent back through.Does the time-distance take more energy? Do entities "co-exist" for the entire time-distance they're sent on? For example, is Krasus essentially co-existing across a full 10,000 years, since both Past Krasus and Present Krasus lived through those years (one going forward, the other going back)? Did Rhonin only co-exist for a relatively short-period, meaning the other 9,960 years were easier to push him through?I'm sure at the end of the day this all comes down to "lol Knaak", but the thought spawned some ideas I felt like sharing.
6-28-2011 @ 1:01PM
I think the Krasus angle does have to do with him being a dragon. Dragon biology is fairly fuzzy, and we don't actually know all that much about them, but they seem to mostly magic as opposed to most playable races. It could be that when Krasus went back in time, that magic had to be split between the two. This would also explain why going back to a time when our own characters would also exist doesn't effect us as badly. All playable races are more material in nature, with magic being a miniscule part of their biological make-up. It's worth noting that the magic making up the Bronze Dragon flight is temporal in nature, meaning that they can deal with several selfs in the same time period. However, it is still very possible for them to spread themselves too thin. Of course, it also could be that the Titans simply safe-guarded the Bronze Dragons and that could be falling apart, leading to the Infinite Dragonflight. I guess it really boils down to *shrug*.
6-28-2011 @ 1:40PM
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