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6-29-2011 @ 2:58PM
You tried to sneak it passed me, but I caught it."I think we've accepted as a class that subtlety is going to suck in PVE..."At least you didn't say it wasn't viable. I'm living proof that it is.
6-29-2011 @ 3:05PM
Pretty sure if something sucks it isn't viable by definition.
6-29-2011 @ 3:07PM
I was cutting him some slack since I went off a little last week about him saying it wasn't viable. So at least Chase changed his wording.
6-29-2011 @ 3:21PM
Let's cut to the chase; post some of your sub World of Logs parses and we'll compare them to an assassination rogue in equivalent gear.
6-29-2011 @ 3:36PM
Sounds good. Now keep in mind I have been getting gear, but the most recent records in this are with a t11 helm and the Poison Protocol Shoulders. I finally got my t11 shoulders the last week of t11 so I can say with confidence that none of these records are with my current gear. Also I had the Cloak of Biting Chill. I'll log off in my old pve gear now for the armory but it won't be there now. Also check the buffs, these are in 10m so I don't have all, however the lock does DI me since I am the best candidate. http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/138432/rankings/players/
6-29-2011 @ 3:39PM
Armory appears to be down currently but here is the link.http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/Haileaus/
6-29-2011 @ 4:03PM
Not sure if it is possible but if so I wonder how Sub compares to other specs on Ascendent council. On one had sub requires a bleed which may not be provided by the raid (meaning more ruptures = dps loss) yet it also has shadowstep, meaning the uptime is far superior. Also a comparison of the damage dealt during the final phase, when the sub rogue gets two vanishes and a shadowdance all during lust/heroism. Probably impossible to check any of those on WoL however I do think the increased uptime and better burst are more hidden bonuses to sub.
6-29-2011 @ 4:05PM
There you go again Chase, "chasing" the damage meters.I do not argue that Sub is generally behind Assassination on the meters, regardless of how well it's played. All I'm trying to convey is that being lower on the meters doesn't mean a spec isn't viable.To quote myself from last week's comments, "If viable is defined by being on top of the damage meters, we should all just roll mages or hunters and forget about rogues."
6-29-2011 @ 4:10PM
@erndawgYou can go to a vendor, and for just 50g + reforging costs, you can do 10+% more damage. This isn't about damage meters or viability; it's about purposefully choosing to do less damage. It's selfish.
6-29-2011 @ 4:16PM
Is 23k single target dps with slightly suboptimal ilvl 359 gear (with a pvp OH =P) that much below the other specs?
6-29-2011 @ 4:19PM
If this is in reference to me missing SV, that was a complete oversight, no idea why I missed it, and I'll be correcting it when I log on tonight.As far as being selfish goes... ummm... last i checked, this was a game, not a job. It is for liesure, not performance. I paid for the game, I pay for the subscription, I play the spec I like to the best of my ability, and make corrections when an error is shown to me. If that's selfish, I'm guilty.On the other hand, if there are people that want to play with my selfish, egotistical, and completely oblivious sub rogue, what does that say about them?
6-29-2011 @ 4:24PM
I think what he is saying is more along these lines:If you are in a raid and topping the meters, clearing content at a decent pace, etc, then you are good. However, if dps isn't enough on some fights and everyone is pulling 10% more than you because you do not know how to properly play subtlety (because if you pull it off fight matters more than spec) or you simply do not have the gear to pull it off, you ARE holding your raid back. If that is the case, you would be best to change SOMETHING so that progression can be maintained.
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